Bitwig

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:48 pm

Just asking as it's the one feature holding me back from buying.

takaii · Post by **takaii** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:44 pm

koalaboy wrote:Just asking as it's the one feature holding me back from buying.

what do you mean with ghost/instance clips? what daw are your main atm?

julioelgenio · Post by **julioelgenio** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:31 pm

They've been in, if you are talking about how FL ghost notes work, imagine that but even better.

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:19 pm

Ghost/Instance clips:

You make a clip and put it on the arrangement view (not in a clip slot, or whatever).

You duplicate/instance it and put copies all over the place.

You then modify the original, and all other instances update because they're the same thing.

Basically, the way many DAWs work, but that Ableton was never capable of grasping.

TeotiGraphix · Post by **TeotiGraphix** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:35 pm

koalaboy wrote:Ghost/Instance clips:

You make a clip and put it on the arrangement view (not in a clip slot, or whatever).

You duplicate/instance it and put copies all over the place.

You then modify the original, and all other instances update because they're the same thing.

Basically, the way many DAWs work, but that Ableton was never capable of grasping.

Clip symbols.

takaii · Post by **takaii** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:18 pm

koalaboy wrote:Ghost/Instance clips:

You make a clip and put it on the arrangement view (not in a clip slot, or whatever).

You duplicate/instance it and put copies all over the place.

You then modify the original, and all other instances update because they're the same thing.

Basically, the way many DAWs work, but that Ableton was never capable of grasping.

Like the clips are linked? A change in one changes the others cause they are linked? Sounds awesome

feature request it, sure it allready is but a second voice might be handy

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:21 pm

ronnyrydgren wrote:
koalaboy wrote:Ghost/Instance clips:

You make a clip and put it on the arrangement view (not in a clip slot, or whatever).

You duplicate/instance it and put copies all over the place.

You then modify the original, and all other instances update because they're the same thing.

Basically, the way many DAWs work, but that Ableton was never capable of grasping.

Like the clips are linked? A change in one changes the others cause they are linked? Sounds awesome feature request it, sure it allready is but a second voice might be handy

As far as I'm aware, it was requested from day one (maybe even earlier), hence my question.

I guess I'll keep waiting

codec17 · Post by **codec17** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:50 pm

Please NO!
(isnt that a Fl-studio behaviour? )

Sorry -1 for me.

You can loop midi clips, and when you want to edit a sample, for instance a kick, use a sampler i would think.
I think thats the beauty of the "lonely" clips that you can edit as you want. Without to concern to f*ck up a sample.

BUT??
If "linked" clips would be a OPTION? Im in!

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:59 pm

koalaboy wrote:Ghost/Instance clips:
Basically, the way many DAWs work, but that Ableton was never capable of grasping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q6p5ODYbsY

it can create connection between the launcher and arrangement clips too, but works only with MIDI notes

codec17 · Post by **codec17** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:01 pm

xbitz wrote:
koalaboy wrote:Ghost/Instance clips:
Basically, the way many DAWs work, but that Ableton was never capable of grasping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q6p5ODYbsY

Aaaaaand?! Another nice find of xbitz!!!
Something like that!

But please not as default,...

takaii · Post by **takaii** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:15 pm

codec17 wrote:Please NO!
(isnt that a Fl-studio behaviour? )

Sorry -1 for me.

You can loop midi clips, and when you want to edit a sample, for instance a kick, use a sampler i would think.
I think thats the beauty of the "lonely" clips that you can edit as you want. Without to concern to f*ck up a sample.

BUT??
If "linked" clips would be a OPTION? Im in!

yeah that is how i would also have it to choose if its linked insteed of doing like fl studio that has it in the reverse that you need to make everything unique ahha one of reasons i left it XD

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:16 pm

and don't forget the multi-clip editing possibilities of BWS, it can be used on the multiple instances of the same clip ...

takaii · Post by **takaii** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:17 pm

xbitz wrote:and don't forget the multi-clip editing possibilities of BWS, it can be used on the multiple instances of the same clip ...

I love learning something new and i did not know this!! This is defently a working workaround for me! Thanks alot Xbitz!

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:24 pm

yepp it's super useful in the launcher area when u want to try out different drum or bass variations quickly across all the scene together with the other parts

takaii · Post by **takaii** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:29 pm

xbitz wrote: yepp it's super useful in the launcher area when u want to try out different drum or bass variations quickly across all the scene together with the other parts

i tried it learned it, but the booring part is to make new midi notes, its easy to change a midi that is same on both, but if it where to be put in a new note you need to make a new on both ive noticed, really annoying that way...
this seems like option to link clip would be even more useful though but cool since i did not know what you showed

Bitwig

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Are ghost/instance clips in yet, or officially due in the near future ?