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maoinhibitor wrote: The new MIDI features looks nice, and there might be some new bells and whistles, but come on...this is Ableton's first attempt at MIDI. You can't be serious in thinking that it will outstrip seasoned apps like Sonar, Logic, or Cubase that have been developing their MIDI functionality for 10+ years. On the other hand, it does look that it might make a good complimentary product. Yes, but it isn't like they haven't seen or used MIDI applications for 10+ years. They aren't starting 10 years ago, they are doing it right now with all of the knowledge of all of those applications going forward. They don't develop in a vacuum. They can/have see/seen what other applications do or have done for years and adapt it to the Ableton way of doing things. Why does it seem unlikely that it could be really cool? ---- -="I beat the Internet...the end guy is hard"=- |
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Sweet baby Jesus, I have three days left before I'm no longer officially a student, and must decide whether to get Tracktion, or take a leap of faith and get Live 3 academic and then get the 4 upgrade when it's available.
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dten wrote: Sweet baby Jesus, I have three days left before I'm no longer officially a student, and must decide whether to get Tracktion, or take a leap of faith and get Live 3 academic and then get the 4 upgrade when it's available.
Drivin me nutty! I think everyone would agre that tracktion is a great sequencer. But Live sounds like its in a different league with version 4. I now wonder if i can get academic discount, i'm a student! I have my granny on ebay for this one!! |
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dten wrote: Sweet baby Jesus, I have three days left before I'm no longer officially a student, and must decide whether to get Tracktion, or take a leap of faith and get Live 3 academic and then get the 4 upgrade when it's available.
Drivin me nutty! I would go for the Live3 academic. Tracktion is so cheap you can always pick it up later. Its less than a VST synth. Tracktion has a ridiculus price for what it can do. ----  |
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drez,
I noticed you posting on the ableton forum. Did you get an answer to the "get user groove" question? |
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AD80 wrote: I would go for the Live3 academic. Tracktion is so cheap you can always pick it up later. Its less than a VST synth. Tracktion has a ridiculus price for what it can do. I second this. |
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hey ...
... as a teach i wonder if i could get a little discount on the upgrade from 3 to 4 ??? (cheapskate) slainte  rob |
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maoinhibitor wrote: stale bread wrote: you're kidding right?, did you check out the midi info over at the ableton website. it's revolutionary which is nothing remotely close to reasons midi, or Logic for that matter. The new MIDI features looks nice, and there might be some new bells and whistles, but come on...this is Ableton's first attempt at MIDI. You can't be serious in thinking that it will outstrip seasoned apps like Sonar, Logic, or Cubase that have been developing their MIDI functionality for 10+ years. On the other hand, it does look that it might make a good complimentary product. well what was your impression of abletons first attempt at audio? |
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nuffink wrote: drez,
I noticed you posting on the ableton forum. Did you get an answer to the "get user groove" question? hey nuff, not yet. I hope they implement it tho, as that would be that cat's PJ's! I love that feature in Reason...use it all the time. ---- -="I beat the Internet...the end guy is hard"=- |
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stale bread wrote: maoinhibitor wrote: stale bread wrote: you're kidding right?, did you check out the midi info over at the ableton website. it's revolutionary which is nothing remotely close to reasons midi, or Logic for that matter. The new MIDI features looks nice, and there might be some new bells and whistles, but come on...this is Ableton's first attempt at MIDI. You can't be serious in thinking that it will outstrip seasoned apps like Sonar, Logic, or Cubase that have been developing their MIDI functionality for 10+ years. On the other hand, it does look that it might make a good complimentary product. well what was your impression of abletons first attempt at audio?  ---- |
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AD80 wrote: stale bread wrote: maoinhibitor wrote: stale bread wrote: you're kidding right?, did you check out the midi info over at the ableton website. it's revolutionary which is nothing remotely close to reasons midi, or Logic for that matter. The new MIDI features looks nice, and there might be some new bells and whistles, but come on...this is Ableton's first attempt at MIDI. You can't be serious in thinking that it will outstrip seasoned apps like Sonar, Logic, or Cubase that have been developing their MIDI functionality for 10+ years. On the other hand, it does look that it might make a good complimentary product. well what was your impression of abletons first attempt at audio? The best part of all this, is all we're doing is quibbling about what we think are rational guess's about the quality of Live 4's MIDI. 
I'm sure it will be good enough for me, I already have Logic if I need to do hardcore scoring etc. I mainly write songs with about 6 to 10 soft instruments, and three to 8 tracks of audio, so I bet I end up using it more than Logic, only time will tell. |
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billybk1 wrote: It is hard to have a truly "gapless" audio engine with an active PDC engaged. Look at all the apps that now have PDC, (SONAR, ACID, Vegas, Samplitude, Cubase SX, Nuendo), they all exhibit "gapping" to some degree. That is just the nature of the beast. Personally, I don't mind the brief "gapping", as long as I know that during playback, whenever, wherever, (track insert, aux bus or main), I insert a plugin (effect or softsynth), my project will always stay in sample accurate sync I agree.After enjoying full PDc for a couple years now I can't imagine slamming into reverse audio-wise without it,but I guess that's the price you pay for a "gap-less Live" app.Back to re-wire for me. |
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if you can find one post with anyone complaining about it prior to this prior to the Live 4 announcement in the whole ableton website archive, I'll buy you a free copy of Live 4 when it comes out.
Mmmmmmmm..mmmm.mmmmmmm.....mmmmmm...mmmmm.mmmmm...mm nope I didn't think so which means............ |
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stale bread wrote: if you can find one post with anyone complaining about it prior to this prior to the Live 4 announcement in the whole ableton website archive, I'll buy you a free copy of Live 4 when it comes out.
Mmmmmmmm..mmmm.mmmmmmm.....mmmmmm...mmmmm.mmmmm...mm nope I didn't think so which means............ If you are refering to lack of PDC in Live: There are other threads/posts, just do a search with the keyword "PDC" from the Ableton Live forum. Quote: muzza23 Guest Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:25 am Post subject: LATENCY COMPENSATION!! ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- is it a realistic wish that live will at some point have latency compensation?? for my money, the lack of this is the only thing that stands in the way of live being the single wickedest audio application on the planet... lack of it is frustrating because loops obviously become out of time by a few hundred samples when there are a few of live's native effects on them, and latency with VST effects is far worse... if there's a way, please find it because at the moment it is a serious impediment I'll gladly take my free copy of LIVE 4 
Billy Buck ---- I'm on the road to Sonic Nirvana REAPER.....your DAW on a keychain! Don't leave home without it! Visit me on ACIDPlanet |
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