Me too,but only after they implement PDC and the bugs are worked out.

ah ha but when were the post made, and were people !! complaining about it? !!!

drool cups
think about being in a dentist's office after novacaine injections. the cup that keeps you from uncontrollably drooling on your shirt.

Very important thing on such releases.

I am still plugging away on version 1.5 and as for performances I have now seen the light. I started using live because my laptop is mac, and my production machine is a pc. My mac is a 900mhz g3 ibook and probably couldnt run a "BIG DAWG" sequencer very successfully. In comes live. I used it for its basic sequencer until at Burning Flipside (austin tx. burningman) some live pa psytrance kids we camped with showed me a thing or two that forced me to re-examine what live can do. Oh boy, I have a set on saturday and I cant wait to use this bad boy right.

Enter live4. Where will the limits of live electronic performance be if ableton actually pulls this off? Pass the drool cups I say.
I dont forsee myself using it for compositions seeing Im still a logic devotee. Im super comfortable with logic and the final version for PC is stable and features everything I need in the immediate future (yes im still bitter with apple)

anyways............all I can say is whoa, watch out. the next couple years things are really going to change in the electronic music scene. Explosive. X-tra specially with how static it has seemed as of late. My question is will the bedroom producers rear their ugly heads out of their dungeons and start rocking parties? Does this make being a DJ seem a little silly to anyone else (apologies to all my DJ friends)?

Anxiously awaiting beta testing Live4

Would I be able to get a cheap upgrade of the boxed version of Live 4 (I want a manual) from this version?

cheers

Paul

you could always send for one they usualy charge 20bucks

Good point...

BTW just to confirm, is it a definite that you will be able to upgrade from Live 3 to 4 cheaply using a copy of Live 3 bought (after 15th May) from a third party, such as Turnkey?

cheers

Paul

Yes.

I bought my Live 3 from DV about a week after the 15th...

Will be fine to upgrade - cost £170 for Live 3 - well worth it.

Fear factor coming in here over Live 4 and its Big Promise spec.

Rabbyt says the price option is to buy Live 3 for £170 (which is cool ... thanx rabbyt )

Then buy the $50 upgrade at pre-release price.

All of which should deliver Live 4 for a knock down price.

But I got to admit I'm scared.

While Live 4 has the feature set that Steinie should have implemented long ago, I'm scared of dropping SX2 for a Big Promise from Ableton.

But I'm equally pissed with SX2's crappy mouse-intense arranging method, and lack of decent granular time stretch.

Oh ... what to do

I like the way people are itching to chuck SX in the bin for Live 4, when it's not even out yet. Live doesn't have half the features of SX2. What is the big deal? The grass is always greener...

Anyway if anyone wants to buy Live off me (unopened, award prize, already own it) then bid here.

Chris O

I've been with Steinberg for 16 years.

But their timestretch is abysmal, the arranging method is mega-untidy and not good for experimenting (seriously bad, in fact), and the promised land of Freeze takes forever and a day. And it takes a year and a day to load or close the program.

In its favour, I broadly like the automation (tho I don't really know any other), and I love its mixing

Maybe the time has come for a change?

Live was first and foremost designed to be a (Live performance) audio loop player for improvising on the fly... Switching back and forth from session to arrange does not give one the feeling of a dedicated sequencing program... I still don't think it works the way most people are used to... I almost think it's sort of clunky switching back and forth, and I haven't got a handle on how to best use one or the other (Session/Arrange)? I'll be interested to see what kind of workflow I can develop with 4.0. ...but if I can't get into it, I'll just keep using Reason on the Mac, and Ext and Orion on the PC! ...I'm wondering what's in Reason 3.0?? Maybe I'm just not a loop guy anyway....

I see Live as a great tool for loop-based musicians, electronica, DJs, performing, etc. For a lot of people, Live 4 will do everything they need.

I seriously considered waiting to use Live 4 as my primary sequencer, but I agree that, having messed with the demo of 3 a bit, it just doesn't feel like a compositional tool to me. Maybe a scratchpad; I'm more of a linear song kind of guy.

I plan to use it as a remix tool for the compositions I create in other tools (like Logic). Create an original song, then splice it up and screw with it in Live to create some interesting derivatives. For that, I may even be satisfied with Live 3, especially since I can't use Logic's instruments outside of Logic so I'd have to just export audio clips anyway.

dten

Me too.

But I still write in 4 bar parts ... and Cubase's Arrange window ends up amazingly cluttered with all these 4 bar chunks ... with all the unwanted chunks getting in the way.

And then when I've got a screenful of 4 bar parts I find I'm struggling to move them around try out new combinations ... or struggling to know which ones to keep or which to delete?

By the time I'e written 32 bars or more it's looking chaotic.

I'm used to this way of working, but it's hardly ideal.

Anyone else find this?

Also, has anyone amy comments on Live as a mixer?

edit: stealth is key

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Yeah, its going to be interesting to see how Logic/Sonar/Cubase handle Live 4.0, if it actually all comes together.

It seems much of the market for these sequencers are dance minded people who have had to make due with these 'traditional' sequencers, and live might be the first one to really play both sides of the fence. Being built as a live/remix tool and now having adequate sequencing features for most dance productions.

Personally I'm sure I'll have the Sonar -> Live rewire action going on