This is the second part of the KVR interview with industry innovator and founder of Peavey Electronics, Hartley Peavey. Part 1 can be found here.
In 1993 Peavey Electronics began marketing MediaMatrix, the first digitally networked audio solution, which has been deployed in such diverse locations as the Beijing International Airport in China, the US Capitol, the Opryland Convention Center in Tennessee, and over a quarter of the NFL stadiums in North America. More recently they have entered the software plug-in market with ReValver and the MuseBox.
What are your thoughts about the impact computers have had on the industry. What about MediaMatrix?
You know, a lot of people think I got my start in the guitar amp business. And technically that's true. But the reality of it is that from about 1968 on, the majority of my business has been building sound systems. So we went out and formed a strategic partnership with a software company to end up with MediaMatrix. We introduced MediaMatrix in 1993 at the AES show in New York City.
A lot of people who should have known better thought it was some kind of a drafting program, where you have all of these little blocks and you essentially glue them together. We said no, you don't understand. This actually passes the sound. And a lot of the contractors said, "I'll never trust my theater designs to a computer." So we loaded up a system in our little company plane and flew all over the country doing presentations to all of these sound designers who had never had a tool like this before. I mean, we were the first, and now we have well over 10,000 installations throughout the world, including the U.S. Senate, the U.S. House of Representatives, the Great Hall of the People in China, the new Bundestag in Berlin.
We started that revolution. But incredibly somehow people still think Peavey is this little non-technical bunch of people out in the sticks in Mississippi. And every time we turn around, we're revolutionizing the way things are done. Harman is in it now and all of these people are doing digital networking that we introduced it in 1993. That's my thing. Since I was a little kid, if the rest of the world is going off in one direction, I tend to wander off in another. To be better…to be the best, you have to be different.
That runs against thew approaches most people in the music and the sound business because they tend to want to do that same old thing over and over and over again. But along the way I went to JBL, I went to Altec, all of these people trying to make a loudspeaker that would take the power. They all told me, "Well, your customers don't know how to use precision transducers and blah, blah, blah." And I said, "Yeah, that may be true, but that doesn't change the fact your product is blowing up." So in 1975, I started building my own loudspeakers. Why did I do that? One very simple reason: from the car radio to the largest concert sound system you could imagine, what's the first component that's going to burn out?
Speakers...
ReValver and the MuseBox are another new direction for Peavey. How are you dealing with it from an organizational point of view?
Everybody said that I was crazy, including my wife. She said, "We're a hardware company and you're introducing a software system that will eliminate most of the hardware." And I said, "Yeah, that's right. But if we don't do it, somebody else will." Well, we're kind of learning about that because we have sold software as part of a system, as MediaMatrix, but ReValver is our first expedition into software alone.
First of all, let me tell you why. The reality is, our language, and as far as I know, no language, has the ability to accurately describe a tone. A musician will talk to you in very subjective tones. He'll say, "Well, I want something that's really ballsy on the low end, with a thick, creamy mid-range, and a nice, tight high end." Now what the heck does that mean? It means one thing to that guy. It may mean something totally different to me, and will most likely mean something totally different to you because those are subjective terms. If I say I want something halfway between red and purple, kind of in the middle, kind of magenta, then in your mind you can kind of visualize that color. But when you're talking about tone, you can't do that.
When we work with artists, we have to sit down and play "Guess What They Want." So we'll sit down with a resistor-substitution box and go click-click-click, how about that? Just like when you go into the eye doctor and he puts you behind these things and says, "Alright, which looks better? This or this?"
So I said, "wouldn't it be a great thing if somehow we could come up with a way for a musician to sit down and tweak an amplifier to make it sound just like what he wants it to sound? He doesn't have to worry about going high voltage and he doesn't have to know how to solder. He doesn't have to have resistors and capacitors and know how to hook it all up. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if he could sit down and tweak his own and make it sound like anything he wants?" And that's what Revalver does, by the way.
Yeah, ReValver's "Tweak" feature.
Well, ReValver is a tube simulator. You know, some of our competitors have very nice amplifier modeling. But what they do is, okay here's a Marshall. They'll let you turn the treble control up and down, and the middle control up and down, the bass control up and down, and the volume and gain or whatever up and down, and that's it. It's a Marshall and it sounds like this. But what if that's not exactly what you want for your music? They can come pretty close to a Marshall or one of ours. Take your pick. But it's no better than taking the actual amplifier and tweaking the tone controls. With Revalver you can go in and actually engineer the whole amplifier. You can go in and change the value of the plate load resistors. You can change the tube type. You can change tone stacks. You can have an output and it can be single ended or it can be class A or class AB. You can use EL34s. You can use 6L6s and you can use KT88s. I love this stuff.
Note: Some of Hartley's discourse on vacuum tubes and their application in music can be found in Part 1.
Have people gotten pretty creative with it?
To what do you owe Peavey's longevity as a family owned company?
Hmmm…. No.
When I visited Peavey in the early '90s I was really impressed with your manufacturing facility that could be reconfigured very quickly to do different products.
But at the time, was that innovative for a US MI company. Where did the idea come from?
Were any of the other companies in the industry doing that at the time?
Are there any regrets that you have?
Well that's not a bad record. What's next?
I'll be curious to check them out.
That's pretty amazing. I don't think I'd want to...
Hartley Peavey makes the musical instrument industry a more interesting place and he has built a successful company by working hard to lower his costs so that lower costs can be passed through to his customers without sacrificing quality.
Once again, Part 1 can be found here.
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