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Reviewed By sjm [read all by] on 2nd November 2011
Version reviewed: 1.71 on Windows.
Last edited by sjm on 18th January 2015.
2 of 3 people found this review helpful.
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Note: This is an edited review. Since first writing this review, I've updated Zen to v 1.7.1. The stability issues I was experiencing before when switching between synths/presets seem to have been fixed. I've not had any crashes despite switching between loads of presets and different synths. I haven't tried scanning my VSTs though.

I've left the original review here but have edited it (edits and comments in bold).

[original review starts here]

I very much like the premise of Zen. It provides a nice solution for managing presets, including the ability to download presets from the internet. Be warned that if you have a load of VSTs or particularly popular ones (Synth1), downloading all the presets will take a while. You're reliant on the presets you download already being categorised sensibly, because there's no way you'll be able to categorise the nearly 8,000 Synth 1 presets yourself.

You can rate presets (1-5 stars), search for presets by synth, author, category (e.g. lead/pad etc.) and name and add your own categories as required.

You can click on a preset in Zen, and the VST will be loaded and you can play the preset. You can assign presets to patch slots (for want of a better name), and you can use the patch change command on your controller to switch between the presets you have set up in this way. I can see this being quite useful in live situations - either on stage or if you are jamming with a band.

Sound designers can also upload their presets from within Zen, although I haven't done this myself.

UI:
The UI is relatively straightforward and there are tips displayed whenever you move the mouse cursor over a UI element. Once you've got the hang of it, it's pretty intuitive to use. It did take me a while to figure out how to do the most basic stuff though (e.g. import my own presets) - I do think the icons used by the buttons could be improved. I'd also like to be able to resize the interface to fit more presets on each page, but that's no biggie.

Addendum: Not sure if it's just on my system, but using the mouse wheel to scroll lists is painfully slow - it takes about 10 seconds to scroll down 8 entries because it scrolls about a pixel at a time.

Another downside for me is that the UI pretty much requires you to use both hands to categorize presets, because you need to hold down Ctrl while clicking to categorise a preset. It would be nice if you could do this with one hand on your MIDI controller so as to preview the sounds you are categorising.

Sound:
Zen doesn't make any sound per se. It sounds as good as your presets and VSTs.

Features:
It's more than just a preset organiser - as well as being able to load up VSTs to play a preset, you can also map VST parameters to CCs and record the output to a wav file - it's similar to Toby Bear's mini host in terms of being a very basic VST hostt. Zen basically does what it says on the tin and throws in a couple of nice features to boot.

Addendum: One thing that I missed that would be great is the ability to split the keyboard into various zones, with each zone mapped to a different preset and synth.

Documentation:
The documentation isn't particularly long (Zen is relatively simple), but provided answers to all the questions I had. As I said before, I did need to look at the docs to figure out how to do some of the more basic things - but it only took a minute or so to find the information I wanted.

Presets:
I've given Zen a 10 here because if you go online you'll end up with loads of presets. Obviously they aren't all the bee's knees, but that's not Zen's fault.

Customer Support:
Never actually needed customer support, but Big Tick have a forum here on KVR and seem pretty active. Zen has been updated several times since I first tried it.

VFM:
It's free. If you need something like this, you can't get better value than free.

Stability:

Edited: Since updating to v 1.7.1 I have had no stability issues.

[the following text is from the original review, but no longer applies]

Unfortunately I have to agree with the previous review on this point. While I don't feel I'm wasting my time using Zen, stability definitely could be improved. I've had crashes switching between presets on both different plugins and the same plugin. To what extent the plugins themselves are to blame I don't know, but it has crashed on me several times. You might want to think twice before using Zen in a live situation, or at least extensively stress test your system! Hopefully stability will be improved in future.

I've not had problems with Zen crashing while scanning VSTs (mentioned in the previous review), but I haven't got very many VSTs - around 10 show up in Zen at the moment. I've never really understood why hosts do this as one single VST can crash the system and fixing the problem can be a real pain.




Overall I'd say that if you like the idea of being able to search for and preview patches across a whole range of synths in one go, you could do a lot worse than try Zen. It's a lot more efficient to search for a pad in Zen than to load up several VSTs and go through the presets one by one. It's thus a boon both to those whole rely mainly on presets (possibly tweaking them) and for sound designers who can categorise and distribute their patches to users.

Reviewed By Numanoid [read all by] on 12th August 2011
Version reviewed: 1,65 on Windows
3 of 4 people found this review helpful.
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I really like the idea of this app, and welcome it warmly. To be able to have one app to access presets of several VSTs, and categorize them, will greatly help tidying up music making. That is Zen in effect.

Unfortunately the programme isn't really ready for this yet.

The number of new version and their frequency shows that it is still more or less is beta testing.

The main problem I find is that one cannot just point Zen toward the VST folder and trust it to do the job. It freezes up on a regular basis when scanning VST's. It is difficult to know what kind of machines it will not eat. It seems one have to spend time tidying up one's VST folder before giving the job to Zen. And basically that was what one expected Zen to do.

As this programme is free it cannot really be valued in terms of money. It is better to value it in terms of time. And at the present release, it is a waste of time unfortunately.

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Lec0mte
Lec0mte
25 January 2015 at 3:27pm

Great solution to managing presets. Where do you manage the MIDI-settings?

BlackWinny
BlackWinny
26 January 2015 at 1:42pm

If Zen is used in a DAW, it is simply used as if it was an instrument, so the MIDI settings are those of the DAW.

But if you use Zen in its standalone version, click the cogwheel at the bottom right, then in the panel which opens, you can see at its bottom a link called I/O settings. It is here that you will manage your audio devices, your channels, your sample rate, your buffer size... and your MIDI inputs and outputs.

Have fun.

Lec0mte
Lec0mte
26 January 2015 at 8:01pm

Thanx, found it.

buttrey
buttrey
23 April 2016 at 3:15pm

This is great stuff! Thanks for all the work that went into this.

If I may ask a question: on 64-bit Windows, I have a couple of VSTs that are on the list -- specifically SQ8L and AM Freehand Free. I can download the patches, and when I click on one, I'm given a "file finder" window where I'm supposed to locate the DLL. For some VSTs, like Synth1, this works great (and thanks again!). For these two, though, I get a "plugin file not found" message, even though it's clearly there. Might this be the result of a version mismatch somehow? Or a 32- vs 64-bit problem? Has anyone run into a similar problem, or have any thoughts on this?

PrtScr
PrtScr
14 July 2016 at 11:56pm

I ran into the same error message and I'm can say with a fair bit of confidence that its a 32 vs 64-bit issue. If you want to add or use a 32-bit VST you'll need to run the 32-bit version of Zen.

buttrey
buttrey
15 July 2016 at 12:31am

Hi PrtScr, I agree, and now I have both versions. My host can handle either version, but it can't run the two simultaneously. So like you I'm trying to come up with ways to use Zen to find presets I like, then push those out to the VST. I don't have anything smart to say about this yet, though. Good luck.

PrtScr
PrtScr
15 July 2016 at 12:03am

I was wondering if anyone knows about a good/convenient way to export the presets so I can run them from the vst's natively. Meaning after they've been downloaded I want the presets added to the VST so I can access it from within the VST without running it from Zen. I think Zen overall is a great idea, but for me I'd prefer to just use it as a straight up download manager and not necessarily launch the vst's from within it.

I've tried adding the zen preset folder to various VST synths, but I'm having some issues.. My next step is to look up more how I add banks to vst's in general cause I'm in no way an expert on vst's, but I just figured I would ask this here to see if anyone found a good way of doing this.

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