Great Idea.....How About A KVR Dev. Sample Slicer Contest

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KVRAF
1714 posts since 14 Mar, 2003 from Israel

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:01 am

.jon wrote:using loops is like "composing" with MIDI files from the internet.
Suppose you do take some MIDI files, slice them, rearrange the pieces, stretch them and process them - isn't the result your own? Does the technique matters?
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KVRAF
4493 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:11 am

cool, can we hear some please ?

I love hearing homegrown beats that sound as good as sampled breaks :wink:
.jon wrote:The only drummer who's feel I want to capture would be... me.

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KVRAF
1872 posts since 2 Mar, 2004

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:26 am

Sascha Franck wrote:What I still want is my "drum machine on stereoids".
In a nutshell:
- Drum sampler like Battery 3.
- Slicing like ReCycle, both for the slicing algorhythm and the editor sizing.
- MIDI file support like GURU.
- "Beam slices to sampler". Could be similar to GURU, but more flexible.
- Along similar lines: Drag and drop of slices to any place, like Phatmatik.
- Pattern editor like GURU.
- Previewing like Stylus, and give me the chaos mode as well.
- Multilane slicing and editing like LiveSlice.
- Previewing of MIDI files, kits, samples supported loop formats (REX, Acid, Apple Loops, internal) in song sync. GURU pretty much hits the nail on the head already.
- Granular slicing for more advanced synth-alike stuff.
- Direct re-ordering of slices, without any need to enter whatever piano roll edit.
- Direct replacement of slices.

300 € minimum from me for anybody building such a thing. I'm soooo sick of permanent application/plugin switching.
fl studio can do a lot of this. and you can even use it as vsti. but specialised tool with simpler interface would be nice

KVRist
472 posts since 18 Jul, 2006

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:33 am

I don't give a damn about sample slicers, so for a nex kvr developer challenge I would prefer something else.
If I ever need one eXT's should be OK.

KVRAF

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1973 posts since 18 Apr, 2004

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:43 am

then stay the f_ck out of the thread, they'll be more challenges to come. Damn!
I asked for devs to chime in if interested and all these detractors stop by. Hey, i'm sure there is room for you in a thread about something you're interested in sheesh,

KVRAF

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1973 posts since 18 Apr, 2004

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:50 am

looks like not only myself but sascha knows how valuable such an app would be.
once again i'm saying I'll put my money where my mouth is.
please step up to the challenge.

KVRAF
5681 posts since 9 Jul, 2002 from Helsinki

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:26 am

spacefox wrote:Suppose you do take some MIDI files, slice them, rearrange the pieces, stretch them and process them - isn't the result your own? Does the technique matters?
Sure it is your own... but is it really easier that way? The technique and philosophical view is of course personal. It's rather impossible to hear the technique from a finished song, but for me the journey is just as important as the result.
cool, can we hear some please ?

I love hearing homegrown beats that sound as good as sampled breaks
:lol: if you need sampled breaks for your music then you obviously need them - just like if you would need a piano in your track then you gotta have a piano in there. And just like I don't want an opera singer in my track, I also don't want beats that sound like they are snatched from some old funk vinyl - nothing to do with betterness or worseness :hihi:
Sorry, but *aarrrgh*.

We can't all be drummers. We can't all know about the secrets of drum programming. We can't all know about the secrets of drum mixing.
That's when loops come into the game. And that's as well when slicers do an incredible job to allow for some programming freedom without being able to program things from the scratch.
Besides, as said, there's a whole lot more to slicers.

And btw, this is coming from someone being able to program a more or less decent beat from the scratch more or less well.
Sorry, but another "aaarrgg". We can't all be composers, eh? We can't all be guitar players - that's when MIDI files come to play ;-)

Anyway I'm afraid this is another endless discussion, completely off-topic and done to death and I'm sorry I started it. These are personal preferences and reflect the vastly different views people have on music, and the vast variety of musical styles. I do enjoy samplism and drum and bass (a lot) but I am not making them myself.

So thanks for the explanations, I now gather that slicers are fantastic, even essential tools for loop manipulation.

Good luck, stale bread - sorry for offtopicing, I'll get my coat now thanks & bye :oops:

.jon

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KVRAF
2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:28 am

It has to be multi-platform though... (Urs please)! I'd love to have something like Phatmatik, that would let you slice a loop, replace or rearrange the slices, then drag and drop into arrange window... I have gigs of wav drum loops, that I never use because it's too much hassle chopping, pitching, beatmatching, FXing etc. to get them where I want em' A simple solution is the best answer, though... We don't need a "full-featured" product to accomplish this task :roll:

ohm
KVRAF
1513 posts since 2 Jul, 2004

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:53 am

interesting thread... if you haven't tried LiveSlice check out the demo and let me know what it's missing. Much simpler than convincing someone to build a new one from scratch :-)

Had no idea there were such a demand for dragging and dropping audio all over the place. I'll have to move that up on my todo list for LiveSlice :-) Another idea that I really like is replacing slices by one-shots, or more likely: convert a sliced loop into drum pads for more drum sampler-like behavior.

FYI: LiveSlice will be both osx and windows within the next six months, with linux as a possibility not yet fully investigated.

one thing you'll never get is rx2 export - it's a closed format and exporting to it is prohibited by copyright law :-(
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life

KVRian
938 posts since 16 Nov, 2006 from Amsterdam

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:17 am

ohm wrote:Had no idea there were such a demand for dragging and dropping audio all over the place. I'll have to move that up on my todo list for LiveSlice :-) Another idea that I really like is replacing slices by one-shots, or more likely: convert a sliced loop into drum pads for more drum sampler-like behavior.
And don't forget: put the price increase on your todo list as well... Or create a 'pro' version for EUR 300... or maybe a little less ;); for those who really want all these features and are willing to pay for it. Currently Liveslice is almost too cheap for all the features that it has :).
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ohm
KVRAF
1513 posts since 2 Jul, 2004

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:41 am

Xnah wrote:And don't forget: put the price increase on your todo list as well... Or create a 'pro' version for EUR 300...
now that's the best "feature" request I've had for years :-)
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life

KVRAF
1714 posts since 14 Mar, 2003 from Israel

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:09 am

.jon wrote:
spacefox wrote:Suppose you do take some MIDI files, slice them, rearrange the pieces, stretch them and process them - isn't the result your own? Does the technique matters?
Sure it is your own... but is it really easier that way? The technique and philosophical view is of course personal. It's rather impossible to hear the technique from a finished song, but for me the journey is just as important as the result.
It's not necessarily easier, or harder. It's just another way of working - therefore, something that can give you different, interesting results.
Since the journey is important indeed, taking a detour sometimes has benefits of walking the road you take everyday.
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KVRAF
5681 posts since 9 Jul, 2002 from Helsinki

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:43 am

Since the journey is important indeed, taking a detour sometimes has benefits of walking the road you take everyday.
Excellent point, and a reason why I'm interested in slicers (besides the fact that people seem to think very highly on Liveslice et al). I should have formulated my original question better, with some thinking it should read like this:

What freeware and techniques would you recommend for a slicer noob who is interested in improving his music and trying to stay open-minded (even with some obvious failures in the near history), but who does not use prefab loops?

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KVRAF
12245 posts since 18 Aug, 2003

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:09 am

.jon wrote:What freeware and techniques would you recommend for a slicer noob who is interested in improving his music and trying to stay open-minded (even with some obvious failures in the near history), but who does not use prefab loops?
Not sure what freeware would be most ideal. Since getting Liveslice, I really haven't used much else for slicing.

But, I use Liveslice a lot and don't use prefab loops at all. It, unlike any other slicer I've tried, is a great live arrangement tool in itself, so functionally very different from something like Recycle. I record a lot of stuff on a regular basis, gathering raw materials and just fiddling about. I'll often use Liveslice for using that material in complex ways. Like stale bread, it's sort of about the samplist perspective, since I could just use a regular sequencer for arranging, but prefer doing it all within an instrument instead of something a bit grander, and like the process of affecting samples.

The best free slicers I can think of are ArcDev's H4xxor, n.slice (beta, recently posted here) and glitchtek's booty. I'm sure there are several pluggo things around, and I vaguely remember something fairly advanced for pd. Others that slice audio but not based on beat detection would be slifty, splonki and pseudograins.

KVRAF
4154 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia

Post Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:29 am

ohm wrote:interesting thread... if you haven't tried LiveSlice check out the demo and let me know what it's missing. Much simpler than convincing someone to build a new one from scratch :-)

Had no idea there were such a demand for dragging and dropping audio all over the place. I'll have to move that up on my todo list for LiveSlice :-) Another idea that I really like is replacing slices by one-shots, or more likely: convert a sliced loop into drum pads for more drum sampler-like behavior.

FYI: LiveSlice will be both osx and windows within the next six months, with linux as a possibility not yet fully investigated.

one thing you'll never get is rx2 export - it's a closed format and exporting to it is prohibited by copyright law :-(
Ohm - just make it more awesome with every version. Certainly satisfies me. :D

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Caleb
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