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KVRAF
4626 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:49 am

Tj Shredder wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:05 am
If the Surge team takes over the SQ8L, it will blow out the Arturia because it will support MPE then... Same with Dexed and DX7 V... You might program with the Arturias, but then play the freeware after you ported the presets...
The sq8l code is not open source , unless something has changed that I'm not aware off
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KVRAF
6365 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:11 am

Not yet, but the Surge team is in contact with the developer who is thinking about open sourcing…

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KVRAF
21938 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:12 am

We actually are not in contact with mr. Kullmann at all. SQ8L appears to be abandonware at this point.

You may have confused us being in contact with Martin Lüdders (PG-8X). Which we were.

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KVRAF
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Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:22 am

Tj Shredder wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:11 am
Not yet, but the Surge team is in contact with the developer who is thinking about open sourcing…
AFAIK the dev of SQ8L won't talk to anyone about the plugin.
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10539 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:59 am

Tj Shredder wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:11 am
Not yet, but the Surge team is in contact with the developer who is thinking about open sourcing…
What exactly is your problem with Arturia SQ80 V?
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KVRAF
21938 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:01 am

Probably the same as mine - definitely takes up too much CPU for what it's supposed to do. :)

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KVRAF
10539 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:07 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:01 am
Probably the same as mine - definitely takes up too much CPU for what it's supposed to do. :)
It's supposed to emulate an instrument that had analog parts (like the filter) as well as old components which are a very important part of its sound, and had to be emulated to get the same vibe. I don't think it doesn't take "too much CPU" considering that. IMO it sounds way better than the old SQ8L (which I didn't use much, anyway, because of the horrible GUI and workflow).
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KVRAF
21938 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:11 am

Sure, but I don't think they had to use Repro-5 levels of CPU for that filter (which is quite a bit better behaving than the one in Prophet-5, mind you). If TAL can make things sound equally good at much less CPU, there's no excuse for not optimizing things some :)

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KVRAF
6365 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:17 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:12 am
We actually are not in contact with mr. Kullmann at all. SQ8L appears to be abandonware at this point.

You may have confused us being in contact with Martin Lüdders (PG-8X). Which we were.
You are correct, oh these 8s…

KVRAF
7607 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:23 am

I'm not seeing too much CPU! Not low CPU but still less than 20% (mostly less than 10% especially the imported SysEx files). Of course compared to SQ8L it uses maybe 10 times the CPU :hihi: But still it is usable for me. Will wait for M1 native support first, then test it there. Oh, one thing is that the effects on the SQ80 V pushes the usage higher when used.

I don't care for MPE support as I don't have any device support it (nor I'm planning to own any!). So, for me, both SQ8L and SQ80 V are great synths that I'm intending to use a lot :)

KVRAF
1652 posts since 19 Apr, 2003 from Copenhagen, Denmark

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:28 am

fmr wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:07 am
EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:01 am
Probably the same as mine - definitely takes up too much CPU for what it's supposed to do. :)
It's supposed to emulate an instrument that had analog parts (like the filter) as well as old components which are a very important part of its sound, and had to be emulated to get the same vibe. I don't think it doesn't take "too much CPU" considering that. IMO it sounds way better than the old SQ8L (which I didn't use much, anyway, because of the horrible GUI and workflow).
Have you compared SQ80-V to the hardware synth?
SQ8L is at the moment much closer to the hardware than SQ80-V
If it sounds better than the original, it's not a good emulation... at least not a correct one :)
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KVRAF
16430 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:37 am

The problem with the SQ8L will always be that it's abandoned and stuck on 32 bit. I got this yesterday:


SQ8L 092221.png
which according to google means "invalid pointer operation".

I don't know whether it's the fault of the plugin or the bit bridge (since the message is in German that leads me to believe it's the plugin) but I simply don't use 32 bit plugins in compositions any longer.

At this point the SQ8L is just a tool to use for importing .fxp and .syx files and exporting .syx files to use in the SQ80V since it does seem to have some issues with importing .syx files found in the wild.

The SQ8L may be a bit closer to the hardware now but it will be the SQ80V that will get use here. Yes it can use some CPU especially compared to the SQ8L but it's nothing my systems can't handle. But then the 80V can create sounds that the 8L simply can't.

Let's see how Arturia handles the issues that have been brought up so far since the release. Perhaps they'll address those issues and make the SQ8L fully redundant.
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KVRAF
10539 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:56 am

olepro wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:28 am
fmr wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:07 am
EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:01 am
Probably the same as mine - definitely takes up too much CPU for what it's supposed to do. :)
It's supposed to emulate an instrument that had analog parts (like the filter) as well as old components which are a very important part of its sound, and had to be emulated to get the same vibe. I don't think it doesn't take "too much CPU" considering that. IMO it sounds way better than the old SQ8L (which I didn't use much, anyway, because of the horrible GUI and workflow).
Have you compared SQ80-V to the hardware synth?
SQ8L is at the moment much closer to the hardware than SQ80-V
If it sounds better than the original, it's not a good emulation... at least not a correct one :)
I don't have the hardware, but even when I had it, I am not one of those that seeks for 100% accuracy. Close is close enough for me. That said, I think Arturia usually seeks for the most exact emulations, and the factory presets, when compared, sound pretty much the same to me.

But if you have the hardware, feel free to post some comparisons. The factory presets are there, so, you just have to play some sustained and fast notes in the SQ-80 and in the SQ80 V, and record them. It will not dismiss the quality of SQ80 V but it's always interesting and entertaining.

Anyway, sounding better is hardly a bad think, at least in my dictionary :hihi:
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KVRAF
10539 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:59 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:11 am
Sure, but I don't think they had to use Repro-5 levels of CPU for that filter (which is quite a bit better behaving than the one in Prophet-5, mind you).
Prophet V (I think that's what you are talking about) is one of those that need to be updated, and most certainly will, at some time in the future (as well as the CS80). This is me thinking - I have NO CLUE if this is certain or not.
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KVRAF
1573 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:18 am

SQ80 V:

A 3 OSC, 4 unison patch, with quite a bit of modulation/envelopes/and LFOS, and all 4 effects used, playing 4 notes together is giving me about 5% or 6% CPU.

I don't think that's too bad at all. Diva is giving me about the same.

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