Obxd synthesizer

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mholloway
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1106 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA

Post Thu May 16, 2019 8:02 am

Somebody is mistaking Being a Complete A**hole for Virtuous Online Content Policing.

hint: the latter doesn't exist, you're always just being a complete A**hole, plain and simple.
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chk071
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19847 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Thu May 16, 2019 8:40 am

If i ever hear GPL and freedom again in one context, i will run away laughing.

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Halonmusic
KVRAF
2073 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:11 am

aciddose is one angry guy :hihi:
Don't be a Sheep. :borg:

SoundPorn
KVRian
768 posts since 24 Jul, 2018

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:15 am

AcidDose is tripping..get it ...acid...dose...tripping...I apologize to those who had to read this wack comment.

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Halonmusic
KVRAF
2073 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:55 am

Yeah he is tripping alright. Always rude to members here and he is always 'right'. Best just to ignorere him.
Don't be a Sheep. :borg:

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crimsonwarlock
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1978 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Thu May 16, 2019 9:26 pm

Halonmusic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:55 am
Always rude to members here and he is always 'right'.
Problem is, most people don't realize that in most cases he actually IS right. When he comments you can be damn sure he's read a whole bunch of information to get himself properly informed and/or has serious expertise on the matter at hand.

I agree he can be a bit acidic at times (see what I did there :D) but on the other hand I do, at least somewhat, understand his allergies towards non-informed comments. Isaac Asimov once stated: "Unfortunately many people think democracy means that you are allowed to have an opinion on anything".
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AnX
KVRAF
4367 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Thu May 16, 2019 9:29 pm

you are

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Halonmusic
KVRAF
2073 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Thu May 16, 2019 11:41 pm

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 9:26 pm
Halonmusic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:55 am
Always rude to members here and he is always 'right'.
Problem is, most people don't realize that in most cases he actually IS right. When he comments you can be damn sure he's read a whole bunch of information to get himself properly informed and/or has serious expertise on the matter at hand.

I agree he can be a bit acidic at times (see what I did there :D) but on the other hand I do, at least somewhat, understand his allergies towards non-informed comments. Isaac Asimov once stated: "Unfortunately many people think democracy means that you are allowed to have an opinion on anything".
Even if he actually is right, there is no reason for him to be so damn rude and negative towards other members and the opinions/points. But I will just ignore that idiot in the future.
Don't be a Sheep. :borg:

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carrieres
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1607 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Poissy, France

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Fri May 17, 2019 4:40 am

just google : GPL/commercial platforms

Can I use GPL software for commercial purposes?
You may copy, distribute and modify the software as long as you track changes/dates of in source files and keep modifications under GPL. You can distribute your application using a GPL library commercially, but you must also provide the source code

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aciddose
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12202 posts since 7 Dec, 2004

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Fri May 17, 2019 5:49 am

Halonmusic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:41 pm
there is no reason for him to be so damn rude and negative
Based upon your subjective interpretation? You may not "feel good" about this fact: my interpretation is that I was infinitely and inexcusably polite in the face of heinous offensive behavior that should never be condoned by anyone - willful ignorance and broadcast of ignorant false facts and opinion. I feel no hatred toward those misinformed misguided souls who commit such crimes. If you feel emotionally driven to express your hatred toward me for my calling out of such misdeeds I feel you ought to question your own sanity and control over yourself.
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aciddose
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12202 posts since 7 Dec, 2004

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Fri May 17, 2019 6:06 am

carrieres wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 4:40 am
just google : GPL/commercial platforms

Can I use GPL software for commercial purposes?
You may copy, distribute and modify the software as long as you track changes/dates of in source files and keep modifications under GPL. You can distribute your application using a GPL library commercially, but you must also provide the source code

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I asked you to quote the GPL. The elements in the GPL v2 which describe this are here:
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)
The only place in the GPL in which even part of the word "commercial" appears is in clause 3.c where it appears in the compound word noncommercial.

As far as case-law regarding whether a binary is a direct derivative: the United States courts found that a binary is indeed a non-transformative derivative of the source code because it contains no transformative creative process but is rather fully automated.

I can' t be bothered to track down the specific cases (it would be a waste of my time.)

For those interested for themselves I would suggest you start here (should be fairly quick to research, like half of or an hour): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_copyright

IIRC the case I'm referring to was during the early 1980s in a disagreement between corporations regarding license limitations on number of "seats". For example the fact that a binary license can limit the number of "seats" is dependent entirely upon the fact that the author(s) own the rights to the source-code and that since the binary is an automated derivative (such as a different encoding or compressed format copy) the author(s) rights extend to it.

So no, simply because you've encoded the source-code into a binary does not strip the author of their rights and allow you to act free from the explicit terms of the contract you entered with the author for use of the source-code.

See here in clause 7:
GPL v2 clause 7 wrote: If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not distribute the Program at all. For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program.
Why would they need to describe this if you were allowed to charge a patent fee for a compiled binary? That's contradictory and simply unreasonable misinformed interpretation of the contract.

The GPL explicitly states that you may not charge a fee for a license to the software or any derivative at any point. You may charge a fee for the copy itself (such as the cost of a CD + shipping) but you may not charge for the content of the CD (the derived data, binaries or source code.)

Once the end-user gets their copy of the data they have the same identical rights you were granted directly from the original author for your derivative works. The GPL explicitly disallows the author of a derivative to impose any additional limitations on the rights granted by the GPL.
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Halonmusic
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2073 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Fri May 17, 2019 6:12 am

aciddose wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 5:49 am
Halonmusic wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:41 pm
there is no reason for him to be so damn rude and negative
Based upon your subjective interpretation? You may not "feel good" about this fact: my interpretation is that I was infinitely and inexcusably polite in the face of heinous offensive behavior that should never be condoned by anyone - willful ignorance and broadcast of ignorant false facts and opinion. I feel no hatred toward those misinformed misguided souls who commit such crimes. If you feel emotionally driven to express your hatred toward me for my calling out of such misdeeds I feel you ought to question your own sanity and control over yourself.
My sanity ?
"... rude to people." :gasp:

You should know this by reading my posts: I have little to no patience for bullshit anymore. When someone starts spouting bullshit and making misleading and willfully ignorant assertions about something they clearly know nothing about I'm less inclined to be friendly and patient and more inclined to assume they're actively casting out bait.

Plenty of people are stupid and misinformed (100% ignorant, often enough) to the point they constantly get themselves into serious trouble with contracts and agreements. I'd feel sorry for those people if I honestly had the capacity to; which I do not. Honestly speaking if they can manage to get themselves into serious enough trouble that they simply cease to exist I'll be perfectly satisfied that nature has taken its horrific natural course.

When people make misleading false assertions about a subject in a public forum however they are not just harming themselves but potentially harming others. I do not just find this humorous like watching someone shoot themselves in the foot, I find it extremely offensive as if the barrel were intentionally pointed my way.

Anyone can read the GPL, I linked it earlier. If you want to make a statement about the GPL or the implications of its clauses according to contract law: directly quote the GPL and the law to support your assertions.

Otherwise you're simply full of shit.
Not rude. Right :roll:

Why youre not banned yet is beyond me
Don't be a Sheep. :borg:

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aciddose
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12202 posts since 7 Dec, 2004

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Fri May 17, 2019 6:17 am

Here again is where it explicitly states you are not allowed to charge for the program or any derived works you distribute along with it.
GPL v2 clause 2 wrote: You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:
a) ...
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
In contract law you need to be mindful of the fact the entire contract and all clauses are taken as a whole together, not separately. So that means what the contract outlines in clause 2 applies to the later clauses below: they operate in parallel, together, as a whole.
GPL v2 clause 5 wrote: You are not required to accept this License, since you have not signed it. However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. These actions are prohibited by law if you do not accept this License. Therefore, by modifying or distributing the Program (or any work based on the Program), you indicate your acceptance of this License to do so, and all its terms and conditions for copying, distributing or modifying the Program or works based on it.
edit: improved formatting for bolded sections.
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aciddose
KVRAF
12202 posts since 7 Dec, 2004

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Fri May 17, 2019 6:18 am

Halonmusic wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 6:12 am
Not rude. Right :roll:

Why youre not banned yet is beyond me
Because using the words "you are full of shit" when someone is full of shit is not against the rules or even discouraged at all. I said it more politely at first until someone got emotional about what I said, repeated what I said by re-phrasing it in a near identical way and then suggested I should be banned for it.

Why are you so emotional about basic contract law? It seems to make you very upset that OBXD is free software.
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Stringzy
KVRist
62 posts since 3 May, 2019

Re: Obxd synthesizer

Post Fri May 17, 2019 6:23 am

can mods take this gpl discussion elsewhere please?

oops, sorry, there are no mods on kvr.

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