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raymondwave wrote: I tried to match my settings to D16 LuSH Supersaw at full density, I'm guessing that supersaw is "inspired" by JP8000 supersaw, but not exactly the original. It's a bit smoother than the one with your settings.
LuSH-101 indeed does not seem to include a "proper" JP-8000 Supersaw. The settings i mentioned seem to be closer to that (and some additional tweaking it could be evene better maybe).
Synths with a "proper" JP-800 Supersaw seem to be Diva, JP-6K by Adam Szabo and the JP-4c Reaktor ensemble by Alex Shore.
Like i mentioned the original Supersaw seems to include an additional HPF and such filter is also included with the Supersaw module of JP-4c.
Diva is the only softsynth that includes all JP-8000 oscillator modes like e.g. the "Feedback Osc" which itself could be very interesting.

The thesis of Adam Szabo is very interesting regarding that topic:
http://www.nada.kth.se/utbildning/grukt ... _10131.pdf

Having a look at this again i noticed that with "mix" at maximum the center Saw is actually smaller in amplitude (and not bigger) than the other which is not possible to do in DUNE 2. This would need an "AMT" setting of e.g. 110-120. Anyway with lower Mix setting the amplitude of the central Saw is equal or bigger than the others which could be emulated in DUNE 2 (with the "AMT" parameter).

Somehow i maybe even prefer the Supersaw i could get from DUNE 2 (with Vintage Saw at 50%, Linear mode, Density: 7, Amt: 90, Spread 12, "Highpass 2P" from "Effects" with "Amount" around 35% routed into "CL Lowpass 2P" from "Filter" ; routing changed by drag & drop).

Finally DUNE 2 offers a lot more options of shaping the Supersaw and other settings than those mentioned above could maybe lead to better and/or more pleasing results which depends on your personal taste.
With some modes like "Perfect 5th" or "Sub Osc" you could add additional harmonics which in this way does not seem to be possible (or at least difficult) in other synths.
one of my favorite features is that this works with any waveform so what about "Supersquare" or "Supertriangle"... :)


Ingo
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Ingonator wrote:Like i mentioned the original Supersaw seems to include an additional HPF and such filter is also included with the Supersaw module of JP-4c.
The filter effect section offers this, the effect is called "Low Cut with Keytrack". Using the Amount knob, you can tweak the effect to taste. Higher values cut deeper into the fundamental, while lower values have less effect. So it's exactly what Adam Szabo described in his paper, plus you have a parameter to adjust "how much" to cut. And as usual it works on any material, not just the sawtooth. :)

Richard
Last edited by Richard_Synapse on Wed May 14, 2014 7:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Richard_Synapse wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Like i mentioned the original Supersaw seems to include an additional HPF and such filter is also included with the Supersaw module of JP-4c.
The filter effect section offers this, the effect is called "Low Cut with Keytrack". Using the Amount knob, you can tweak the effect to taste. Higher values cut deeper into the fundamental, while lower values have less effect. So it's exactly what Adam Szabo described in his paper, plus you have a parameter to adjust "how much" to cut.

Richard
Hi Richard,

many thanks for the hint. I had used the HPF in the Effect part of the filter section but will give a try with "low Cut with keytrack" too.

UPDATE:
Here is a download for my first approach to a Supersaw Polysynth sound in DUNE 2:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 1%20IW.fxp


Ingo
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Ingonator wrote:
Richard_Synapse wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Like i mentioned the original Supersaw seems to include an additional HPF and such filter is also included with the Supersaw module of JP-4c.
The filter effect section offers this, the effect is called "Low Cut with Keytrack". Using the Amount knob, you can tweak the effect to taste. Higher values cut deeper into the fundamental, while lower values have less effect. So it's exactly what Adam Szabo described in his paper, plus you have a parameter to adjust "how much" to cut.

Richard
Hi Richard,

many thanks for the hint. I had used the HPF in the Effect part of the filter section but will give a try with "low Cut with keytrack" too.

UPDATE:
Here is a download for my first approach to a Supersaw Polysynth sound in DUNE 2:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 1%20IW.fxp


Ingo
Are you using the beta version?
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

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cytospur wrote:[

Are you using the beta version?
Possible i got a older version here. I used the link Richard mentioned when i got the NFR license whcih is that in my account after registering the serial. Possible there is a newer one in the Beta forum. Will have a look there.


Ingo
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Ingonator wrote:
cytospur wrote:[

Are you using the beta version?
Using v2.02 here. Possible there is a newer one in the Beta forum. Will have a look there.


Ingo
I'll take that as a yes. It's a shame you're doing your beta testing now rather than before when it would have been more useful. It's a real shame cos I always liked your patches for Dune1.
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

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Wow, didn't know there was a beta version. Changes from 2.02?

Nice patch Ingonator, I think you nailed the sound.

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Yorrrrrr wrote:Wow, didn't know there was a beta version. Changes from 2.02?

Nice patch Ingonator, I think you nailed the sound.
There were beta versions before it was released of course. There isn't one atm, although you probably noticed that Rich and Marcin are pretty quick to fix issues :)
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

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Yorrrrrr wrote:Wow, didn't know there was a beta version. Changes from 2.02?

Nice patch Ingonator, I think you nailed the sound.
I am confused as it is the download from my account after registering the serial i got and it should be the latest one. Maybe the version No. is not correct?


Ingo
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Ingonator wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:Wow, didn't know there was a beta version. Changes from 2.02?

Nice patch Ingonator, I think you nailed the sound.
I am confused as it is the download from my account after registering the serial i got and it should be the latest one. Maybe the version No. is not correct?


Ingo
Oh, so you bought it then?
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

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cytospur wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:Wow, didn't know there was a beta version. Changes from 2.02?

Nice patch Ingonator, I think you nailed the sound.
I am confused as it is the download from my account after registering the serial i got and it should be the latest one. Maybe the version No. is not correct?


Ingo
Oh, so you bought it then?
no, Rich gave him an nfr for some reason

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Kriminal wrote:
cytospur wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:Wow, didn't know there was a beta version. Changes from 2.02?

Nice patch Ingonator, I think you nailed the sound.
I am confused as it is the download from my account after registering the serial i got and it should be the latest one. Maybe the version No. is not correct?


Ingo
Oh, so you bought it then?
no, Rich gave him an nfr for some reason
Thought so. Surprised he wasn't involved at all with the beta testing. I always found his input thought provoking.
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

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cytospur wrote:
Thought so. Surprised he wasn't involved at all with the beta testing. I always found his input thought provoking.
Just sent a PM. This is nothing i would really like to discuss here in the public.


Ingo
Last edited by Ingonator on Wed May 14, 2014 8:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Ingonator wrote:
cytospur wrote:[

Are you using the beta version?
Possible i got a older version here. I used the link Richard mentioned when i got the NFR license


Ingo
NFR = No f**king Reason

zero testing, zero patches, zero contribution = a free licence

You must be laughing your arse off...

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Kriminal wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
cytospur wrote:[

Are you using the beta version?
Possible i got a older version here. I used the link Richard mentioned when i got the NFR license


Ingo
NFR = No f**king Reason

zero testing, zero patches, zero contribution = a free licence

You must be laughing your arse off...
How do you know what i talked about with Richard? You could be sure i'll contribute enough to justify a free license.
BTW Richard sent a PM when i mentioned here that i think about purchasing the upgrade.
As mentioned above i sent a PM to Cytospur.


Ingo
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