Phase Distortion Synthesis

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KVRAF
25857 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:46 am

I wonder what are the main difference between Czynthia and Czynthia Beat?

I got this version with the Beat Workzone 1, 2015

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KVRAF
2328 posts since 9 Mar, 2004 from Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:52 am

Kassiopeia! 2.0, by KVR member "Sonic Assault" is a really good freeware phase distortion synth. Check it out, as well as his other plugins here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jez.price/synths.htm

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For the purists, there's also a killer payware PD synth, called "Virtual CZ", available here:
http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=virtualcz
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KVRAF
25857 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:55 am

I think that is already mentioned upstream in the thread:
BlackWinny wrote:On the same page than Kassiopeia (here) I discover that the same developer has made another Phase Distortion synth in his collection of "Sinthecyza" synths. It is the number 2.6. (Last Updated 05/07/2005) I didn't know it and propably you neither... A new one to experiment!
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Oh! And below still in the same page, the number 4.2 (Last Updated 03/09/2006)

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KVRAF
7950 posts since 2 Aug, 2005 from Guitar Land, USA

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:06 am

[quote="Numanoid"]Anybody tried NeoGen? It only 32 bits (SE), but tempting at sale now only €25

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did try that one, unless there was one w/a similar gui. It's good, but generally pretty basic. I suppose you could add it to a collection, but there are better PD ones, like Digits.
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KVRAF
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Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:07 am

-kvr broke and posted it 3 times lol
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KVRAF
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Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:07 am

-kvr broke and posted it 3 times lol
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KVRian
1296 posts since 4 Oct, 2012 from Utah

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:01 am

I ran a test with Synthmaster. PM is indeed actually Phase Distortion.

Synthmaster on top, MUX on bottom.
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Video on how I set this up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqrbxUZkKYM

And yes Phase Distortion can be modeled inside of a wavetable because the modulator Hard Syncs to the carrier, thus producing the same single cycle waveform each iteration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_distortion_synthesis

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KVRAF
7950 posts since 2 Aug, 2005 from Guitar Land, USA

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:13 am

whoa I'm sorry that posted a million times.
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KVRAF
4119 posts since 11 Aug, 2006 from Austin, TX

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:31 am

Don't forget, if you own at least Reason 4, then you have PM oscillators included with Thor. They also have a good article about what PM is and how to use it by Gordon Reid, a long-time contributor to Sound on Sound:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... scillator/

And one by Mattias:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... synthesis/

I think they're interesting even if you don't own Thor.

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KVRian
1296 posts since 4 Oct, 2012 from Utah

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:37 am

bmrzycki wrote:Don't forget, if you own at least Reason 4, then you have PM oscillators included with Thor. They also have a good article about what PM is and how to use it by Gordon Reid, a long-time contributor to Sound on Sound:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... scillator/

And one by Mattias:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... synthesis/

I think they're interesting even if you don't own Thor.
PM ≠ PD

PD is like PM but the Modulator wave is Hard Synced to the Carrier wave. Thus producing the same single cycle waveform each iteration of the carrier. Close but very different output.

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KVRAF
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Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:42 am

dakkra wrote:PM ≠ PD

PD is like PM but the Modulator wave is Hard Synced to the Carrier wave. Thus producing the same single cycle waveform each iteration of the carrier. Close but very different output.
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KVRAF
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Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:17 pm

RunBeerRun wrote:Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did try that one, unless there was one w/a similar gui. It's good, but generally pretty basic. I suppose you could add it to a collection, but there are better PD ones, like Digits.
Just scraped together €25, it is tempting to get NeoGen, but only 32 bit is a drawback, I will have to sleep on it.

Thanks for the tip about Digits.

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KVRAF
12514 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:21 pm

dakkra wrote:
bmrzycki wrote:Don't forget, if you own at least Reason 4, then you have PM oscillators included with Thor. They also have a good article about what PM is and how to use it by Gordon Reid, a long-time contributor to Sound on Sound:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... scillator/

And one by Mattias:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... synthesis/

I think they're interesting even if you don't own Thor.
PM ≠ PD

PD is like PM but the Modulator wave is Hard Synced to the Carrier wave. Thus producing the same single cycle waveform each iteration of the carrier. Close but very different output.
And also PM is not always same as FM even if teh famous DX7 uses PM (= phase modulation).
Tone2 could do real FM (with the NeoFM modes), PM (similar to the DX) and most other so callled "FM" synths and also PD (phase distortion).
The biggest difference with real FM and PM is found when using complex waveforms instead of baic ones or simple "Sinoid" waveforms.
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10240 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:28 pm

Speaking of 32 bit PD synths, Phasewave by TubeOhm is pretty good. Unfortunately, the price is a bit too high for my budget, and I've never seen any sales from him...

But there's a nice monophonic free version, too.

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KVRian
576 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:14 pm

+1 for Digits and Kassiopeia! (version 2.1). For FM and PD - its rough edges notwithstanding - COFX Digital. Also, the not-oft-mentioned CZ-10xV.

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