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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:46 pm

I wonder what are the main difference between Czynthia and Czynthia Beat?

I got this version with the Beat Workzone 1, 2015

Xenos · Post by **Xenos** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:52 pm

Kassiopeia! 2.0, by KVR member "Sonic Assault" is a really good freeware phase distortion synth. Check it out, as well as his other plugins here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jez.price/synths.htm

EDIT:

For the purists, there's also a killer payware PD synth, called "Virtual CZ", available here:
http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=virtualcz

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:55 pm

I think that is already mentioned upstream in the thread:

BlackWinny wrote:On the same page than Kassiopeia (here) I discover that the same developer has made another Phase Distortion synth in his collection of "Sinthecyza" synths. It is the number 2.6. (Last Updated 05/07/2005) I didn't know it and propably you neither... A new one to experiment!

Oh! And below still in the same page, the number 4.2 (Last Updated 03/09/2006)

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:06 pm

[quote="Numanoid"]Anybody tried NeoGen? It only 32 bits (SE), but tempting at sale now only €25

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did try that one, unless there was one w/a similar gui. It's good, but generally pretty basic. I suppose you could add it to a collection, but there are better PD ones, like Digits.

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:07 pm

-kvr broke and posted it 3 times lol

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:07 pm

-kvr broke and posted it 3 times lol

dakkra · Post by **dakkra** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:01 pm

I ran a test with Synthmaster. PM is indeed actually Phase Distortion.

Synthmaster on top, MUX on bottom.

Video on how I set this up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqrbxUZkKYM

And yes Phase Distortion can be modeled inside of a wavetable because the modulator Hard Syncs to the carrier, thus producing the same single cycle waveform each iteration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_distortion_synthesis

Dakkra

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:13 pm

whoa I'm sorry that posted a million times.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:31 pm

Don't forget, if you own at least Reason 4, then you have PM oscillators included with Thor. They also have a good article about what PM is and how to use it by Gordon Reid, a long-time contributor to Sound on Sound:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... scillator/

And one by Mattias:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... synthesis/

I think they're interesting even if you don't own Thor.

dakkra · Post by **dakkra** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:37 pm

bmrzycki wrote:Don't forget, if you own at least Reason 4, then you have PM oscillators included with Thor. They also have a good article about what PM is and how to use it by Gordon Reid, a long-time contributor to Sound on Sound:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... scillator/

And one by Mattias:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... synthesis/

I think they're interesting even if you don't own Thor.

PM ≠ PD

PD is like PM but the Modulator wave is Hard Synced to the Carrier wave. Thus producing the same single cycle waveform each iteration of the carrier. Close but very different output.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:42 pm

dakkra wrote:PM ≠ PD

PD is like PM but the Modulator wave is Hard Synced to the Carrier wave. Thus producing the same single cycle waveform each iteration of the carrier. Close but very different output.

Yes. It's alas a very common mistake.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:17 pm

RunBeerRun wrote:Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did try that one, unless there was one w/a similar gui. It's good, but generally pretty basic. I suppose you could add it to a collection, but there are better PD ones, like Digits.

Just scraped together €25, it is tempting to get NeoGen, but only 32 bit is a drawback, I will have to sleep on it.

Thanks for the tip about Digits.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:21 pm

dakkra wrote:
bmrzycki wrote:Don't forget, if you own at least Reason 4, then you have PM oscillators included with Thor. They also have a good article about what PM is and how to use it by Gordon Reid, a long-time contributor to Sound on Sound:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... scillator/

And one by Mattias:
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/tuto ... synthesis/

I think they're interesting even if you don't own Thor.
PM ≠ PD

PD is like PM but the Modulator wave is Hard Synced to the Carrier wave. Thus producing the same single cycle waveform each iteration of the carrier. Close but very different output.

And also PM is not always same as FM even if teh famous DX7 uses PM (= phase modulation).
Tone2 could do real FM (with the NeoFM modes), PM (similar to the DX) and most other so callled "FM" synths and also PD (phase distortion).
The biggest difference with real FM and PM is found when using complex waveforms instead of baic ones or simple "Sinoid" waveforms.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:28 pm

Speaking of 32 bit PD synths, Phasewave by TubeOhm is pretty good. Unfortunately, the price is a bit too high for my budget, and I've never seen any sales from him...

But there's a nice monophonic free version, too.

hersoot · Post by **hersoot** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:14 pm

+1 for Digits and Kassiopeia! (version 2.1). For FM and PD - its rough edges notwithstanding - COFX Digital. Also, the not-oft-mentioned CZ-10xV.

Phase Distortion Synthesis