Phase Distortion Synthesis

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KVRAF
16979 posts since 23 Jun, 2010 from north of London ON

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:57 pm

Now, may we be permitted to get back to the original topic?
Pretty please??? :?
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10240 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:01 pm

trimph1 wrote:Now, may we be permitted to get back to the original topic?
Pretty please??? :?
Thread destruction synthesis? :P

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KVRian
1296 posts since 4 Oct, 2012 from Utah

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:07 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:
trimph1 wrote:Now, may we be permitted to get back to the original topic?
Pretty please??? :?
Thread destruction synthesis? :P
At least that's some form of distortion :lol:

I'd like to look at phasewave but its interface is a little bit too crowded for me to understand. MUX and Synthmaster have made their point with PD (though MUX seems to generate "rounder" waves/more low harmonics than Synthmaster). For me at least I think MUX would be the best choice of a PD synth. It's modular so i have complete control over my sound and it packs a lot more than just subtractive and PD synthesis.

Any counters to that? One could easily use the argument that Synthmaster (or some other synth they use) generates "sharper" waveforms and thus outputs a better sound.

What do you guys think?

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10240 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:13 pm

I didn't even know that MUX has PD synthesis. Does it have all forms of synthesis now? FM? Additive synthesis? Granular synthesis?

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KVRian
1296 posts since 4 Oct, 2012 from Utah

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:23 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:I didn't even know that MUX has PD synthesis. Does it have all forms of synthesis now? FM? Additive synthesis? Granular synthesis?
Keep in mind it's not real-time synthesis. It's one of the transforms with the MFO. It works well though (see my comparison between MUX and Synthmaster here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 0#p5987324)

FM - no (there is talk about it on occasion. Jo did say that if he were to implement it, it would be in the form of PM)

Additive - Kind of. (Right click -> Generate Via Harmonics. Informal Additive synthesis I suppose)

Granular - Yes I believe. Not entirely sure but the MFO does seem to support the likes of it (See the sources section: http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mux/multiformosc.html)

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KVRAF
16979 posts since 23 Jun, 2010 from north of London ON

Post Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:40 pm

dakkra wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:I didn't even know that MUX has PD synthesis. Does it have all forms of synthesis now? FM? Additive synthesis? Granular synthesis?
Keep in mind it's not real-time synthesis. It's one of the transforms with the MFO. It works well though (see my comparison between MUX and Synthmaster here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 0#p5987324)

FM - no (there is talk about it on occasion. Jo did say that if he were to implement it, it would be in the form of PM)

Additive - Kind of. (Right click -> Generate Via Harmonics. Informal Additive synthesis I suppose)

Granular - Yes I believe. Not entirely sure but the MFO does seem to support the likes of it (See the sources section: http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mux/multiformosc.html)

Dakkra
Good solid stuff here, thanks! :tu:
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KVRAF
25857 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are

Post Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:20 am

Tricky-Loops wrote:I didn't even know that MUX has PD synthesis. Does it have all forms of synthesis now? FM? Additive synthesis? Granular synthesis?
I'm still contemplating the upgrade to MUX 6.1

I guess I need to succumb to the GAS :borg:

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10240 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head

Post Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:28 am

Numanoid wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:I didn't even know that MUX has PD synthesis. Does it have all forms of synthesis now? FM? Additive synthesis? Granular synthesis?
I'm still contemplating the upgrade to MUX 6.1

I guess I need to succumb to the GAS :borg:
The new Multi Oscillators with adjustable unisono voices (called "layers") and wave tables are worth it alone! :wink:

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KVRAF
25857 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are

Post Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:25 am

Numanoid wrote:Anybody tried NeoGen? It only 32 bits (SE), but tempting at sale now only €25
I bit the bullet during this sale.

Should have demoed it better, but I thought as it is 32bit/SynthEdit go well with FL Studio.

But getting huge CPU spikes, also when plug is idle ? :?

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KVRAF
25857 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are

Post Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:21 am

NeoGen has got updated to v1.1 which they claim has made big improvements to reduce the CPU use :)

KVRAF
10540 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam

Post Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:24 pm

So, I'm still grappling with the very basics here. Some explanations sound like PD is modifying the phasor in a wavetable synth. Others sound more like amplitude modulation.

On the wikipedia page it says the CZs could simulate a resonant filter with a hard-sync'd sinewave (with a period of the emulated cutoff), multiplied with a descending rampwave to eliminate the discontinuity. Is that not technically AM synthesis? At least the windowing portion.

What is the actual mathematical relationship between all the oscillators involved?

KVRAF
2147 posts since 10 Mar, 2006

Post Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:05 pm

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KVRAF
5728 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH

Post Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:17 pm

i'm surprised not seeing virtualCZ on the current list ?

http://www.pluginboutique.com/product/4 ... -VirtualCZ

KVRist
98 posts since 18 Jul, 2010 from Beerlin

Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:45 am

Wouldn't an Allpass-Filter suffice ?

KVRAF
1552 posts since 21 Dec, 2012

Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:03 am

Check out my video about the Virtual CZ Synthesizer
My impression: it's a brilliant easy to use emulation of the CZ Synthesizers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iafegbtrzVE
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