UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

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sircuit
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745 posts since 15 Jul, 2016

Post Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:03 am

I don’t understand at all your second phrase. And I see no way you could achieve a similar effect with automation. I’d suggest at least to try my suggestion, you’d may be surprised.

“True self modulation” = recursivity.
Two crossmodulated LFOs are still recursive as you have a feedback loop between them. You just need the output of one of them, however.

tasty tatsyn
KVRist
397 posts since 19 Jun, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:36 am

there might be a slight diference....
A self modulated LFO reads values from itself
..while many times diferent LFO's even at the same rate can produce somewhat diferent values (be on a diferent phase of the cycle)

I haven't wrote/studied a postgraduation about this :D but noticed diferent synths handle this diferently, just like the sound signature itself

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EvilDragon
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19251 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:13 am

tasty tatsyn wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:36 am
..while many times diferent LFO's even at the same rate can produce somewhat diferent values (be on a diferent phase of the cycle)
Not if you set it to Retrigger mode.

sircuit
KVRian
745 posts since 15 Jul, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:41 am

Just tested 2xLFO crossmodulation and Falcon crashes the daw instantly. So it really doesn't like anything recursive :)

tasty tatsyn
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Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:00 pm

Uppps X2 post
Last edited by tasty tatsyn on Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:04 pm, edited 2 times in total.

tasty tatsyn
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397 posts since 19 Jun, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:03 pm

sircuit wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:52 am
Then you could try setting two identical lfos, adjust them via common macro knobs and cross modulating each other.

c_voltage wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:26 pm
sircuit wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:11 pm
...and you can find the LFO in the modulation options, then you can do a “recursive” modulation.
The problem exactly that i can't find (not see) the same lfo as source in dropdown list.
Other lfo - yes i see, but not the same lfo. 8)
EvilDragon wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:13 am
tasty tatsyn wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:36 am
..while many times diferent LFO's even at the same rate can produce somewhat diferent values (be on a diferent phase of the cycle)
Not if you set it to Retrigger mode.
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True but not optimal if it requires you to set a method that might not be the most adjusted to what he wants..
Since Cross modulation does seem to break/crash Falcon in some cases too

Solutions(depending on what you want to achieve):
you have large limits on ammount of LFO's, etc, so there's workarounds..

1 - You can set a 2nd/3th LFO and connect both to a macro

2 - It is still possible to set an LFO as a sub modulator of the modulation itself (requires some more steps)
ex:
2.1 - LFO1 to OSC PAN -> Sub Modulator LFO1
2.2 - LFO 2 to LFO 1 Speed -> Sub Modulator LFO2

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c_voltage
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1594 posts since 16 May, 2004 from Soviet Union

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:50 am

sircuit wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:03 am
And I see no way you could achieve a similar effect with automation.
Why ? Theoretically you can achieve any kind of modulation result thru automation.

About other mentioned solutions - thanks folks, will keep it in mind, but mainly i just wanted to be sure that i did not miss anything and directly way to self modulate is not able in Falcon.
sircuit wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:41 am
Just tested 2xLFO crossmodulation and Falcon crashes the daw instantly.
Hmm, that interesting btw. So, need make report mb.

UPD You probably understood this interest after being active in the Pigments top :D .
But this does not significantly change something, I still like the Falcon.

Dillinger
KVRist
273 posts since 2 Apr, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:40 am

May we have the ability to replace a layer (through paste), or, the ability to reorder them?

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Sampleconstruct
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15027 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:51 am

Dillinger wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:40 am
May we have the ability to replace a layer (through paste), or, the ability to reorder them?
You can load programs as layers. Not exactly what you're looking for but a useful workaround.

Dillinger
KVRist
273 posts since 2 Apr, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:51 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:51 am
Dillinger wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:40 am
May we have the ability to replace a layer (through paste), or, the ability to reorder them?
You can load programs as layers. Not exactly what you're looking for but a useful workaround.
Please enlighten me.

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newuser2014
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52 posts since 14 Jan, 2014

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:40 am

Paste (and duplicate and cut and copy) are commands available when in the List view. Use the wrench to access them , in a dropdown. Selecting multiple layers is an option too.

Stefken
KVRAF
1838 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:10 am

So Falcon does not have a demo?
How do you evaluate/experience this synth then before buying (it's not like it's 50 bucks or so).

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Sampleconstruct
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15027 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:29 am

Stefken wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:10 am
So Falcon does not have a demo?
How do you evaluate/experience this synth then before buying (it's not like it's 50 bucks or so).
No demo indeed. Probably the most requested thing during the last 4 years.

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HTT
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56 posts since 14 Jul, 2019

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:49 pm

Stefken wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:10 am
So Falcon does not have a demo?
How do you evaluate/experience this synth then before buying (it's not like it's 50 bucks or so).
I see your point. I was concerned but took the chance when v.2 was announced. I would recommend you listen to the soundcloud demos on the UVI website. Depending on your musical inclination, if you are dance-oriented, then Spectre, Titanium, and Pulsar are probably worth your time listening to first. If you are into ambient/cinematic, then Mr. Stockhausen’s signature sets should start you off quite well on the right foot. Then peruse the other cinematic sound sets. The FM soundset is relatively weak, IMO. (FM8 and/or Zebra have better FM presets available). Richard Devine’s Soundset is quirky.

If I could kinda-sorta sum up Falcon by comparing it to other plugins, imagine having Dune 3, Pigments, and Kontakt rolled into one virtual synth. Then add in, arguably, as good or better effects than those three plugins. Well, that is Falcon.

machinesworking
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1996 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 2.0 released - rumors and off-topic inside!

Post Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:09 am

Stefken wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:10 am
So Falcon does not have a demo?
How do you evaluate/experience this synth then before buying (it's not like it's 50 bucks or so).
Not the route most took I'm thinking, but I bought MachFive3 as a solid alternative to Kontakt, and because you can modify UVI libraries with it etc. Falcon is the replacement for MachFive, so it was a natural move to upgrade when they offered M53 owners a deal. It's not just a synth, so looking at it from that perspective if you like and use UVI libraries you're getting a better playground for them. That coupled with the extended sound capabilities it's pretty much one of the best synths/samplers out there IMO.

I don't know if a demo would do it justice? It takes (at least for me, even coming from M53) a bit of time to get used to. Once you do it's worth it. It's definitely one of my top 5 "desert island synths".

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