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DJErmac
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1752 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:01 am

The only thing I dislike in Falcon is the crazy trick you have to set up in order to modulate a filter with an ADSR envelope.
It should be easy as sneezing, at first I almost couldn’t believe you needed all those steps...
This post is supposed to be non-agressive. Now please give me a broad smile. :ud:

flori89
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195 posts since 19 Aug, 2021

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:03 am

DJErmac wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:01 am
The only thing I dislike in Falcon is the crazy trick you have to set up in order to modulate a filter with an ADSR envelope.
It should be easy as sneezing, at first I almost couldn’t believe you needed all those steps...
Right click and select ADSR from a list?

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DJErmac
KVRAF
1752 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:06 am

flori89 wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:03 am
DJErmac wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:01 am
The only thing I dislike in Falcon is the crazy trick you have to set up in order to modulate a filter with an ADSR envelope.
It should be easy as sneezing, at first I almost couldn’t believe you needed all those steps...
Right click and select ADSR from a list?
Well, try it... :D
This post is supposed to be non-agressive. Now please give me a broad smile. :ud:

flori89
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195 posts since 19 Aug, 2021

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:07 am

DJErmac wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:06 am
flori89 wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:03 am
DJErmac wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:01 am
The only thing I dislike in Falcon is the crazy trick you have to set up in order to modulate a filter with an ADSR envelope.
It should be easy as sneezing, at first I almost couldn’t believe you needed all those steps...
Right click and select ADSR from a list?
Well, try it... :D
Ah, you mean something that is not on the keygroup level. I get what you mean now.

vertibration
KVRian
587 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:26 am

The problem with Falcon, its UI is all laid out with the guts of the synth. Users arent used to that sort of thing.

I think they should refine the UI with an "EASY MODE" layout in which you can drag and drop modulation sources to your destinations. The layout of everything is painful to work with. I feel as though the current layout should be considered an Edit mode where you can dig deep. There needs to be an "EASY MODE" in which the "INFO" panel is more than just a simple UI layout that conforms to each preset. Simply right clicking the INFO panel, should bring up a menu to choose sample or synth

For instance, you create a simple Analog Stack, well.....The INFO panel should reflect all parameters of the Analog stack, and all mod sources should be available to drag and drop of the left pane window in a dedicated menu

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Sampleconstruct
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15734 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:56 am

Singing Bowls in Falcon.
https://youtu.be/C6Kbv4ZG2VA

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digitallysane
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97 posts since 11 Mar, 2021 from Romania

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:05 am

vertibration wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:26 am
Users arent used to that sort of thing.
I thought "users" are buying Falcon exactly because of that.

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Biome_Digital
KVRAF
1660 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:53 am

digitallysane wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:05 am
vertibration wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:26 am
Users arent used to that sort of thing.
I thought "users" are buying Falcon exactly because of that.
Exactly. it's for complex sound design. It is supposed to be complex! :)

vertibration
KVRian
587 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:52 am

Yes, its supposed to be complex. Im just saying I think there needs to be a more efficient main page to optimize access aside from its current layout. Wouldnt anyone be happy to get drag and drop modulation? C'mon man.......

pierb
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265 posts since 28 Oct, 2010 from Mexico

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:11 pm

Biome_Digital wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:53 am
Exactly. it's for complex sound design. It is supposed to be complex! :)
If it's supposed to be for complex sound design then its priority should be helping you out manage that complexity.
vertibration wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:52 am
Yes, its supposed to be complex. Im just saying I think there needs to be a more efficient main page to optimize access aside from its current layout. Wouldnt anyone be happy to get drag and drop modulation? C'mon man.......
Exactly, and it's not only about drag and drop modulations...

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Biome_Digital
KVRAF
1660 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:29 pm

There is drag and drop mod though?

pierb
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265 posts since 28 Oct, 2010 from Mexico

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:01 pm

Biome_Digital wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:29 pm
There is drag and drop mod though?
After you've clicked and scrolled a number of times...

vertibration
KVRian
587 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:09 pm

You know how you look at something, and you just know in your gut it has room to be so much better than it is, thats the feeling I get with Falcon. It pains me to see it in its current form. I feel as though its like someone built an advanced cyborg, but the cyborg is missing its skin or outer later. You just see wires and gadgets.

Falcon needs more than just drag and drop I agree.

pierb
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265 posts since 28 Oct, 2010 from Mexico

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:31 pm

vertibration wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:09 pm
You know how you look at something, and you just know in your gut it has room to be so much better than it is, thats the feeling I get with Falcon. It pains me to see it in its current form. I feel as though its like someone built an advanced cyborg, but the cyborg is missing its skin or outer later. You just see wires and gadgets.

Falcon needs more than just drag and drop I agree.
IMO this is the main reason Falcon is not much more popular.

You'd think with all its features and capabilities it would dominate the media composing market, but it remains a minor player compared to Omnisphere, Kontakt, and Zebra.

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Biome_Digital
KVRAF
1660 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:37 am

pierb wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:01 pm
Biome_Digital wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:29 pm
There is drag and drop mod though?
After you've clicked and scrolled a number of times...
You can drag from the modulation tab with one click though. Not saying things can't be improved, they can, but there is drag and drop mod and it's easier than half the synths I have.

I think the most confusing thing in falcon is the layer structure, not being able to modulate on some levels. Also, not having pitch in the osc is very confusing.

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