Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

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zvenx
KVRAF
7350 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:40 am

5Lives wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:14 am
zvenx wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:29 am
5Lives wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:15 pm
Is it possible to sell Avenger post the Codemeter change? I know before you would sell the eLicenser dongle as well, but what about now? I'm rethinking my desire to allow something like Codemeter run in the background all the time on my new machine.
Avenger never 'came' with eLicenser afaik. You can still sell it post codemeter. However when I last looked on the Sell+ Buy marketplace here there were a few sellers who had been trying to sell for weeks.
rsp
I've noticed that - bummer the demand doesn't seem to be there these days. I haven't been able to find the instructions for selling Avenger. Guess I'll need to email Vengeance.
When I asked last July (yes long before the codemeter. I was contemplating selling it since then, as I have found it buggy, the developers takes too long to fix issues and quite frankly unrealistically high real time asio issues in steinberg Cubendo (both mac and pc) at low buffer sizes (I work at 64 buffer size, rarely have to quantize until it is looped stuff at this sample size) (where stuff like Repro, Diva, Omnisphere, Serum, Massive X, Included-Your-Favourite-HeavyHitter-IProbablyHaveIT) work fine (with the exception of plug in alliance stuff).

It is definitely my biggest regret purchase of 2019..
Anyway this is what i was told:
If you want to sell your Avenger, please purchase the license transfer

In order to add the new customer to our database you just have to purchase the following item:

license transfer:
https://secure.shareit.com/shareit/cart ... &js=-1

and send us the new owners Name and Email

The new customer will then be in our database and he will receive technical support and updates from us.

IMPORTANT:
your old license will be terminated and the new customer will get a new key when he contacts keilwerth@vengeance-sound.com and sends
- the invoice of the license transfer
- your old license key
- original Avenger invoice.

All these 3 things, YOU have to send the new owner
Only thing is no one seems to want to buy it second hand anymore.
Maybe when Xmas sales are over they will sell again.
rsp
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stearine
KVRist
165 posts since 6 Jun, 2019

Re: Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

Post Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:06 pm

tristan- wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:38 pm
I don't understand why calling a synth Avenger. What are we, little kids? I understand you're Vengeance sound for many years (probably since Van-Damme was an action movie hero) but it's time to get serious about things. :ud:
Yes. I'd call it Soundmaker. That would show everyone that playtime is over!

KenjiDeVries
KVRist
62 posts since 14 Oct, 2017

Re: Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

Post Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:18 pm

stearine wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:06 pm
tristan- wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:38 pm
I don't understand why calling a synth Avenger. What are we, little kids? I understand you're Vengeance sound for many years (probably since Van-Damme was an action movie hero) but it's time to get serious about things. :ud:
Yes. I'd call it Soundmaker. That would show everyone that playtime is over!
My guess is pure marketing purpose. People searching for the avengers movies (which had their hype back then until now) will get search results for the plugin too.

m-ac
KVRist
461 posts since 18 Dec, 2007

Re: Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

Post Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:23 pm

KenjiDeVries wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:18 pm
stearine wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:06 pm
tristan- wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:38 pm
I don't understand why calling a synth Avenger. What are we, little kids? I understand you're Vengeance sound for many years (probably since Van-Damme was an action movie hero) but it's time to get serious about things. :ud:
Yes. I'd call it Soundmaker. That would show everyone that playtime is over!
My guess is pure marketing purpose. People searching for the avengers movies (which had their hype back then until now) will get search results for the plugin too.
He should have called it 'free porn'.

yellowmix
KVRian
1463 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo

Re: Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

Post Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:27 pm

An avenger is a person who has obtained vengeance.

Makes you wonder what the original perceived insult/injury was that started all of this. When will it end? Violence is a vicious circle.

stearine
KVRist
165 posts since 6 Jun, 2019

Re: Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

Post Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:24 pm

KenjiDeVries wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:18 pm
My guess is pure marketing purpose. People searching for the avengers movies (which had their hype back then until now) will get search results for the plugin too.
This does happen and I despise such practices. Search engine "optimization" gone rogue to the extreme. Of course those rats just think of themselves as being clever.

But I'm not sure what kind of reasoning would have led to pulling the trick in this case, because how large percentage of Avengers fans are potential new $200 VI stray purchasers? I'd wager to guess not a substantial amount. Not only that, but you should pick a name-mangling target whose demographic is likely to have the fraction of potential new customers over-represented within itself for it to be a sensible strategic move. On the other hand if you already spend hundreds on VI's then what most probably happens you'll likely learn the names and end up searching them on the web, and as a vendor you'd prefer them to find your VI as easy & fast as possible instead of thousands of hits for something completely unrelated.

noiseboyuk
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2941 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

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Post Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:17 pm

p770. Arguments continue about the name.
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HSum
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103 posts since 28 Aug, 2017

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Post Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:34 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:17 pm
p770. Arguments continue about the name.
You guys don't want complaints about bugs or the copy protection mess or the expansion prices, no mention of missing communication or support, no product reviews of needed new monitors or graphics cards. So whats the problem now if people think about the name? What else would you like to talk about? Let us here :D

stearine
KVRist
165 posts since 6 Jun, 2019

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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:21 am

noiseboyuk wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:17 pm
p770. Arguments continue about the name.
:lol:

Perhaps the negativity in the name is infectious.

yellowmix wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:27 pm
An avenger is a person who has obtained vengeance.

Makes you wonder what the original perceived insult/injury was that started all of this. When will it end? Violence is a vicious circle.
This thread.

SLiC
KVRAF
4385 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:02 am

There still seem to be a lot of people selling Avenger now in the marketplace, shame it went this way because of copy protection....also killed this once useful thread.
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stearine
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165 posts since 6 Jun, 2019

Re: Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:46 am

SLiC wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:02 am
There still seem to be a lot of people selling Avenger now in the marketplace, shame it went this way because of copy protection....also killed this once useful thread.
I'd been eyeing Avenger for a while and when it was on sale again I did a web search for "vengeance sound avenger drm" which led me right to the CodeMeter controversy. Despite - or because of - all the rabble I was unable to find out what was so bad about CodeMeter compared to every other DRM out there, so I went and bought it anyway.

I got the impression that the primary issue was that the existing customers felt betrayed and inconvenienced by the DRM being implemented for something they had already paid for (sometimes in hefty amounts), and I can easily sympathize with that. It's easier to buy into something knowing beforehand that it comes with annoyances than them being imposed on you retroactively after committing. I don't have their problem - I have my own [smaller] problem of compromising to allow yet another annoyance into my system, but at least I could make my decision with that knowledge.

I'm hoping they will allow eLicenser to authorize Avenger in the future, and that if they do so on moving to the next major version I will at least get a reasonable upgrade price. Not because eLicenser is better (is it? I don't know.), but because I'm already using Steinberg software and one DRM is better than two.

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jacqueslacouth
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1116 posts since 18 Nov, 2004 from The Liberated People's Republic of Straya

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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:20 am

Don't I have Codemeter running to authorise Reason??? Can't say it has been a problem or something that I am actually aware of.

SLiC
KVRAF
4385 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:16 am

stearine wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:46 am
I'm hoping they will allow eLicenser to authorize Avenger in the future, and that if they do so on moving to the next major version I will at least get a reasonable upgrade price. Not because eLicenser is better (is it? I don't know.), but because I'm already using Steinberg software and one DRM is better than two.
Yes, I am still using Avenger and didn't throw my dummy out of the cot when they introduced this new protection, but I already have e-licensers and ilok, I didn't realy want a 3rd background dongle (and I have to say of the 3 this is the one I like the least for various reason that have been discussed by others here Infinium)

With the recent updates an for the recent bargain price, it should have been a no-brainer, its a pity the copy protection has made a lot of people stay away (and some users even leave).
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tristan-
KVRian
520 posts since 11 Dec, 2004

Re: Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:38 am

yellowmix wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:27 pm
An avenger is a person who has obtained vengeance.

Makes you wonder what the original perceived insult/injury was that started all of this. When will it end? Violence is a vicious circle.
Funny!

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tristan-
KVRian
520 posts since 11 Dec, 2004

Re: Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:46 am

KenjiDeVries wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:18 pm
stearine wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:06 pm
tristan- wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:38 pm
I don't understand why calling a synth Avenger. What are we, little kids? I understand you're Vengeance sound for many years (probably since Van-Damme was an action movie hero) but it's time to get serious about things. :ud:
Yes. I'd call it Soundmaker. That would show everyone that playtime is over!
My guess is pure marketing purpose. People searching for the avengers movies (which had their hype back then until now) will get search results for the plugin too.
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