Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - free 1.5.0 update!

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noiseboyuk
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2949 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:23 pm

I've never had any issues working at 256 (either technically or playing-wise). Never understood the obsession with very low buffer sizes. I worked for a while at 128 because I mostly could, it made no practical difference to me in playing but created performance-issues occasionally. No CPU issues with Avenger especially, some other synths are a little thirstier.
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zvenx
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7368 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

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Post Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:36 pm

Curious. Are u a keyboardist or u play some keyboards? At 64 I rarely have to quantize. At 256 I would have to quantize.
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Elektronisch
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3847 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

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Post Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:21 pm

zvenx wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:36 pm
Curious. Are u a keyboardist or u play some keyboards? At 64 I rarely have to quantize. At 256 I would have to quantize.
Rsp
Im not a keyboardist but i do play keyboard when writing melodies sketches, i dont find any problem to quantize few mil seconds, also when you dont need your super accurate keyboard punches you can change buffer size.

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HTT
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64 posts since 14 Jul, 2019

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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:50 am

I am new to Avenger. Maybe that is why I don’t have much of an issue with the license protection. I only get cpu issues with demanding patches such as granular or VA patches with long tails when I am playing moderately complex passages. That is with a Sandy Bridge i7. It seems Avenger is more cpu-hungry in Live than Logic, but just by a few percent.

noiseboyuk
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2949 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:55 am

HTT wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:50 am
I am new to Avenger. Maybe that is why I don’t have much of an issue with the license protection. I only get cpu issues with demanding patches such as granular or VA patches with long tails when I am playing moderately complex passages. That is with a Sandy Bridge i7. It seems Avenger is more cpu-hungry in Live than Logic, but just by a few percent.
IMO - and yes this is pure guesswork on my part - but new customer or not, this experience actually speaks for around 95% of Avenger users.
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zvenx
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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:44 am

Elektronisch wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:21 pm
zvenx wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:36 pm
Curious. Are u a keyboardist or u play some keyboards? At 64 I rarely have to quantize. At 256 I would have to quantize.
Rsp
Im not a keyboardist but i do play keyboard when writing melodies sketches, i dont find any problem to quantize few mil seconds, also when you dont need your super accurate keyboard punches you can change buffer size.
Ahh.
And @noiseboyuk. Are you a keyboardist?
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noiseboyuk
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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:26 am

zvenx - I'm pretty rubbish its true - failed Grade 5 piano. I have to quantise at any buffer setting....

Working at 48k 256 on my Babyface, Cubase reports an input latency of circa 6ms. Working in 4/4 at 120bpm, those figures mean I'll be playing 1/40th of a beat out. I just did a test out of curiosity hitting a note in time with a click. In practice with my terrible playing even just single notes I tend to hit notes between 1/40th and 1/20th early - clearly I'm going to get stuff-all benefit working lower than 256.

So maybe super-precise players would notice more than I. But I remember a discussion over at VI Control where pianists infinitely better than I reported much the same thing, that below 256 they found little difference in practice.
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jbraner
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1033 posts since 8 Jan, 2003

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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:47 am

Cubase reports an input latency of circa 6ms
Surely you have to take the output buffer in to account too - since you'll be hearing what you played "late". I think that's what throws players off.

I'm a guitarist and play through amp sims - so I definitely feel it when I hear the note "late" after I played it. I can go up to 10ms RTL, but after that it's definitely annoying.

6ms sounds *very* optimistic - even for just input latency @ 256 sample buffer size. I know RME drivers are good but...

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HTT
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64 posts since 14 Jul, 2019

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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:07 am

noiseboyuk wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:55 am
HTT wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:50 am
I am new to Avenger. Maybe that is why I don’t have much of an issue with the license protection. I only get cpu issues with demanding patches such as granular or VA patches with long tails when I am playing moderately complex passages. That is with a Sandy Bridge i7. It seems Avenger is more cpu-hungry in Live than Logic, but just by a few percent.
IMO - and yes this is pure guesswork on my part - but new customer or not, this experience actually speaks for around 95% of Avenger users.
Thanks for your perspective. Yeah, when I read all the complaints about this, that, and the other thing about Avenger and my experience being quite different from the complainers I wondered what was up.

I also understand angry customers as I have been vocally critical of products in the past.

noiseboyuk
KVRAF
2949 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:27 am

jbraner wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:47 am
Surely you have to take the output buffer in to account too - since you'll be hearing what you played "late". I think that's what throws players off.
Ah yes, that's probably true. Either way I can't notice it below 256. Even playing guitar seems ok to me - definitely notice 512 though.
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zvenx
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7368 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:37 am

Interesting convo..... I guess bottom line we are all different.
I will look for that convo on vi-control. I am no Herbie Hancock, but I definitely can feel the difference between 64, 128 and 256.

Even recording some of the vocalist that I use often, they notice 256 with my lynx 2 c drivers on my pc.


Although a big part is it depends on your drivers. Not every 64/128/256 is equivalent to another system and another audio card.
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dune_rave
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1510 posts since 23 Jun, 2006 from Hungary

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Post Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:21 am

I also have avenger for long time, and have no problems. of course it depends how u use it. i try to use it as a synth, mainly for edm stuff. if i want to play piano , i would rather load something similar to kontakt.

wanne
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7 posts since 5 Mar, 2016

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Post Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:56 am

need help here installing it..

i did a brandnew win10 setup with reaper yesterday...when i install the V1.5.5 it dosnt show up in reaper... i tried different folders where i have other vsts but no luck..

strange thing is when i install the demo version it works...but then i cant install the soundpack..
its says possible corrupt file..dl again..wtf..

thx

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msvs
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1751 posts since 18 Apr, 2011

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Post Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:40 am

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klovne
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13 posts since 13 May, 2015

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Post Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:30 am

klovne wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:18 pm
Using the drums part with midi being triggered from daw (instead of the inbuilt drum sequencer) and each drum sound being routed into a separate audio track via multi out is completely unusable and broken.

Tested it in 3 different daws (ableton, bitwig, studio one) and the results are same - clicks and pops and some kind of feedback? as if two different midi notes being triggered are also triggering each other

Such a bummer...
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