Roland Cloud

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KVRAF
5129 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:44 am

I recently picked up Melda’s Turbo Reverb and that’s a fantastic algorithmic reverb that lets you model just about anything outside of pure convolution reverb spaces

KVRAF
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Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:36 pm

Is the JV1080 redundant, if I get the XV5080 ?

KVRAF
6235 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:00 pm

bill45 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:36 pm
Is the JV1080 redundant, if I get the XV5080 ?
From my very limited month long trials, I believe it is redundant. From the research I could dig up on the net, it appears that owners of the hardware often report that the two have a different engine, amp or ? - by which they can tell the difference, prompting a few to suggest having both. But when I asked on one of these threads if that difference was apparent in the software, I think I remember everyone saying it was essentially the same.

KVRAF
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Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:11 pm

BBFG# wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:00 pm
bill45 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:36 pm
Is the JV1080 redundant, if I get the XV5080 ?
From my very limited month long trials, I believe it is redundant. From the research I could dig up on the net, it appears that owners of the hardware often report that the two have a different engine, amp or ? - by which they can tell the difference, prompting a few to suggest having both. But when I asked on one of these threads if that difference was apparent in the software, I think I remember everyone saying it was essentially the same.
Thanks that is what I thought. Different D to A converters. The XV also has a Different sample Rate.

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KVRist
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Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:58 pm


KVRAF
1632 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA

Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:55 pm

Surely I'm not the only one looking at this and going -- 1. they already have a 106, was this really necessary? and 2. to owner's of TAL's wonderful U-No-LX, surely this is a big, long yawn of a release?
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KVRAF
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Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:06 pm

Juno 60 has a different sound to the 106. Good enough reason for a release in my book. I have the U-No-LX, but not everyone with Roland Cloud will have it and the owners are Juno fans so they won't hate this release.
Please let us know when they release a synth you're looking forward to so we can piss on your chips.

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KVRist
89 posts since 15 Jan, 2017

Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:20 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:06 pm
Juno 60 has a different sound to the 106. Good enough reason for a release in my book. I have the U-No-LX, but not everyone with Roland Cloud will have it and the owners are Juno fans so they won't hate this release.
Please let us know when they release a synth you're looking forward to so we can piss on your chips.
Really? Aren't they essentially the same, with the only difference being the arpeggiator, MIDI and sweepable/stepped HPF?

KVRAF
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Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:23 pm

So glad I stopped this subscription after the first year, I don’t miss anything (I got the 2 I wanted) and there has been nothing added that temps me back.
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KVRAF
1632 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA

Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:43 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:06 pm
Juno 60 has a different sound to the 106. Good enough reason for a release in my book. I have the U-No-LX, but not everyone with Roland Cloud will have it and the owners are Juno fans so they won't hate this release.
Please let us know when they release a synth you're looking forward to so we can piss on your chips.
But it doesn't have a different sound, though. At least, not a significant enough difference to warrant emulating both. I bet you'd never, ever be able to tell the two apart in a blind test. But you really need both, regardless, eh?

EDIT: OK, I have egg on my face. I don't know how different the hardware 106 varies from a 60, but in terms purely of these cloud plugins, this 60 sounds better to me than their 106 emulation. No idea why, yet, but that's my gut reaction.

But the real improvement over the hardware -- and also notably over the TAL emulation of the 60 -- is that Roland wisely converted the Osc Shape buttons into actual sliders, so now you can mix the levels of the Saw and Square. IMHO that's actually a huge bonus, and really makes this better than any previous Juno-60.

So, apologies for my previous negativity. It was unwarranted. Lesson learned!
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KVRAF
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Post Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:47 pm

Demoing it now, sounds great. f**k the haters. :party:

KVRAF
8887 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:28 am

raysaul wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:20 pm
WatchTheGuitar wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:06 pm
Juno 60 has a different sound to the 106. Good enough reason for a release in my book. I have the U-No-LX, but not everyone with Roland Cloud will have it and the owners are Juno fans so they won't hate this release.
Please let us know when they release a synth you're looking forward to so we can piss on your chips.
Really? Aren't they essentially the same, with the only difference being the arpeggiator, MIDI and sweepable/stepped HPF?
Nope. There's a noticeably different sound to the oscillators, especially in the lower registers.
There's some good comparisons on youtube. I can't remember where I saw a really good one that compared why certain genres preferred one over the other, might have been something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgPTsistwGU
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KVRist
263 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:43 am

I can see being less excited about a Juno 60 given the existing Juno 106, but if you're Roland, and you're currently in the process of making software versions of your classic synths, are you actually going to skip the Juno 60? Probably not.

If nothing else, being brand new it should have an improved UI, resizing, CPU hit etc. vs the existing 106. In terms of sound, I tend to prefer Roland's ACB models to, pretty much everything out there.

KVRian
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Post Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:24 am

Next one will be Jupiter 6

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KVRAF
5129 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:29 am

trackbout wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:43 am
I can see being less excited about a Juno 60 given the existing Juno 106, but if you're Roland, and you're currently in the process of making software versions of your classic synths, are you actually going to skip the Juno 60? Probably not.

If nothing else, being brand new it should have an improved UI, resizing, CPU hit etc. vs the existing 106. In terms of sound, I tend to prefer Roland's ACB models to, pretty much everything out there.
You can finally drag the plugin to resize it! It's taken years, but it's finally there.

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