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KVRian
686 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi

Post Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:18 pm

I'm confused about how they advertise the Zenology Pro: Analog Icons. They market it as a lifetime Zenology Pro along with lifetime expansions (jx-8p, 106, 101 and jupiter 8). But aren't those expansions in Pro? So if you have Zenology Pro lifetime for $229, you'd be covered with the expansions anyways? What am I missing here?

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KVRAF
10543 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:56 am

sluggo wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:18 pm
I'm confused about how they advertise the Zenology Pro: Analog Icons. They market it as a lifetime Zenology Pro along with lifetime expansions (jx-8p, 106, 101 and jupiter 8). But aren't those expansions in Pro? So if you have Zenology Pro lifetime for $229, you'd be covered with the expansions anyways? What am I missing here?
AFAIK, The Zenology Pro doesn't include ANY expansion. As I see it, they aim to transform it in a kind of Kontakt. Except that Kontakt is much better and has much more (and cheaper) choices - including lots of free ones.
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KVRist
192 posts since 1 Sep, 2003 from Studio Telex

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:04 am

Does anyone know how to delete or initialise patch banks? I've got the XV5080 and the Sky House patch pack has wiped out most of the patches. I've tried uninstalling both it and the XV5080 and they just won't go, even after a reboot. Alternatively, do people know where Roland Cloud puts things, besides in the usual plugin folders?
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KVRAF
6151 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:08 am

OK thanks. It's a bit confusing as they say Legendary only in the main description, but then it just say "Zenology and Zen Pro are excluded" in another.

KVRAF
6151 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:14 am

gunark wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:04 am
Does anyone know how to delete or initialise patch banks? I've got the XV5080 and the Sky House patch pack has wiped out most of the patches. I've tried uninstalling both it and the XV5080 and they just won't go, even after a reboot. Alternatively, do people know where Roland Cloud puts things, besides in the usual plugin folders?
In the XV-5080 click the Patch button and then click New to create a new initialized bank.

On my PC its Bin files are here:
C:\Program Data\Roland Cloud\XV-5080
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KVRAF
2007 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from ..from.. from.. FROM

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:43 am

Chrisk-K wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:53 am
I hope the JX-8P is going to be released as a separate software synth like the JD-800. I will buy a lifetime key in a heartbeat.
^^ THIS ^^

I would as well - especially if an alleged JX-8P pluging uses ACB and can be installed onto my System 8! :party: :lol:
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KVRian
540 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:06 am

qube123 wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:07 am
Often when you get CPU spikes its down to insufficient I/O on your drive so the CPU is waiting for information. Make sure the drive the project is on is decently quick and isn't the main drive on the computer.
That’s not the issue in my case. Roland’s ACB plugins don’t use samples and don’t have any reason to access the disk, and even if they did, I have them on an incredibly fast SSD. If you mean the DAW or my current project, it’s not that either. This happens in every DAW, even with a totally blank project and one ACB plugin loaded (and nothing else). There’s something about their DSP emulation that causes random CPU spikes. I have hundreds of plugins and none of them have this behavior. It’s only the ACB ones.
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KVRian
540 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:11 am

EnochLight wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:43 am
Chrisk-K wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:53 am
I hope the JX-8P is going to be released as a separate software synth like the JD-800. I will buy a lifetime key in a heartbeat.
^^ THIS ^^

I would as well - especially if an alleged JX-8P pluging uses ACB and can be installed onto my System 8! :party: :lol:
I highly doubt there will ever be an ACB version of the JX-8P. The new “standalone” JD-800 plugin is just the exact same Zenology model expansion wrapped in a different UI, and if they make a standalone JX-8P plugin (a big ‘if’), they would almost certainly do the same thing.
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KVRAF
2007 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from ..from.. from.. FROM

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:34 am

Arashi wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:11 am
I highly doubt there will ever be an ACB version of the JX-8P. The new “standalone” JD-800 plugin is just the exact same Zenology model expansion wrapped in a different UI, and if they make a standalone JX-8P plugin (a big ‘if’), they would almost certainly do the same thing.
Oh I totally suspect that’s the case. I was merely saying I’d buy an ACB version that can run on System 8 in a heartbeat. Full price. It’s a travesty that Roland didn’t follow through and make one - but I fear System 8 has been put out to pasture.
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KVRist
91 posts since 31 Oct, 2015

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:47 am

System 8... great idea, too green, too short (49key, no aftertouch), too aria... Jupiter X/Xm and ZC hardware seems to be the way to go with Roland

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KVRAF
2007 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from ..from.. from.. FROM

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:14 am

SebAV wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:47 am
System 8... great idea, too green, too short (49key, no aftertouch), too aria... Jupiter X/Xm and ZC hardware seems to be the way to go with Roland
I mean, the Zencore/Jupiter X/Xm is clearly Roland's new flagship platform. But you'll have to drag my System 8, Aria theme and all, from my cold dead hands. :wink: :lol: It's still an incredible synth, and arguably sounds more realistic when emulating analog compared to the Zencore stuff. But that's a topic for another thread... :hihi:

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KVRian
686 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:46 am

fmr wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:56 am
sluggo wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:18 pm
I'm confused about how they advertise the Zenology Pro: Analog Icons. They market it as a lifetime Zenology Pro along with lifetime expansions (jx-8p, 106, 101 and jupiter 8). But aren't those expansions in Pro? So if you have Zenology Pro lifetime for $229, you'd be covered with the expansions anyways? What am I missing here?
AFAIK, The Zenology Pro doesn't include ANY expansion. As I see it, they aim to transform it in a kind of Kontakt. Except that Kontakt is much better and has much more (and cheaper) choices - including lots of free ones.
Zenology Pro for sure has model expansions. I have Zenology Pro now, my one year subscription runs out in 6 days.
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KVRAF
3696 posts since 13 Jul, 2004 from Earth

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:42 am

I have a lifetime Key for z pro and the model expansions are not included.

If i want them i have to buy each separately.
Wish there where a discount on the Analog collection for us Who bought z pro before they started the z analog collection offer.

KVRian
686 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:20 am

D-Fusion wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:42 am
I have a lifetime Key for z pro and the model expansions are not included.

If i want them i have to buy each separately.
Wish there where a discount on the Analog collection for us Who bought z pro before they started the z analog collection offer.
Did you subscribe monthly prior to the lifetime key, and if so, did you get the expansions then? Maybe that's where the catch is: expansions come with the subscription but not the lifetime key.

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KVRAF
10543 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:27 am

sluggo wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:20 am
D-Fusion wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:42 am
I have a lifetime Key for z pro and the model expansions are not included.

If i want them i have to buy each separately.
Wish there where a discount on the Analog collection for us Who bought z pro before they started the z analog collection offer.
Did you subscribe monthly prior to the lifetime key, and if so, did you get the expansions then? Maybe that's where the catch is: expansions come with the subscription but not the lifetime key.
Yes, WHEN AND WHILE YOU HAVE A PROPER SUBSCRIPTION you can access the expansions. But that's not what was asked. What was asked was IF a license for Zenology Pro includes the expansions - which it doesn't. You wrote: "Zenology Pro for sure has model expansions" - which it doesn't. You have access to them ONLY when and while you are subscribed. The Lifetime Key doesn't include them. So you were spreading misinformation
Fernando (FMR)

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