Sonic Academy new synth!

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fluffy_little_something
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Post Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:39 am

karrikuh wrote:
Phil Sonic Academy wrote:Ana 1 is a pure exponential like Ana 1.. Ana 2 is more like a string pluck curve.. faster at the start then slows.

Analog versions are similar shapes but with analog chacteristics.. I.e. not as fast attack / release etc
Does any of the modes behave like in analog synths in the way that when a voice is re-used after a new note on event (e.g. in monophonic mode), the attack phase starts from the current "control voltage" instead if from zero? Unfortunately many synths get this wrong.
Not sure there is a wrong or right. Sometimes the complete reset is very welcome, sometimes not so much. It depends on the patch...

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karrikuh
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Post Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:50 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:
karrikuh wrote:
Phil Sonic Academy wrote:Ana 1 is a pure exponential like Ana 1.. Ana 2 is more like a string pluck curve.. faster at the start then slows.

Analog versions are similar shapes but with analog chacteristics.. I.e. not as fast attack / release etc
Does any of the modes behave like in analog synths in the way that when a voice is re-used after a new note on event (e.g. in monophonic mode), the attack phase starts from the current "control voltage" instead if from zero? Unfortunately many synths get this wrong.
Not sure there is a wrong or right. Sometimes the complete reset is very welcome, sometimes not so much.
You are probably right, although I never found myself in a situation where I liked the sound of a hard reset.

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fmr
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Post Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:50 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:
karrikuh wrote: Does any of the modes behave like in analog synths in the way that when a voice is re-used after a new note on event (e.g. in monophonic mode), the attack phase starts from the current "control voltage" instead if from zero? Unfortunately many synths get this wrong.
Not sure there is a wrong or right. Sometimes the complete reset is very welcome, sometimes not so much.
There isn't a right way for this. Some analogs retriggered the envelopes, some didn't, and some even offered both possibilities. Matriz-12 is an example of an analog synth that offered several options for envelope triggering (complete reset, simple trigger and multi trigger).
Fernando (FMR)

Phil Sonic Academy
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465 posts since 10 Aug, 2006

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Post Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:14 am

I believe only mono mode does this... there is also a poly legato option in the settings.. I’ll have to check if it does it with this switched on too.

onerob
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Post Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:53 pm

I've been testing the beta and one little curiosity, which I don't want to raise as a bug, is that when switching presets whilst playing notes, the amp ADSR is not reset, which can cause a newly loaded preset to begin playing its release phase if both it and the previous preset have long release times.

Hardly a show stopper.

Phil Sonic Academy
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Post Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:13 pm

onerob wrote:I've been testing the beta and one little curiosity, which I don't want to raise as a bug, is that when switching presets whilst playing notes, the amp ADSR is not reset, which can cause a newly loaded preset to begin playing its release phase if both it and the previous preset have long release times.

Hardly a show stopper.
Yeah this is something we are aware of... should be sorted before release.

onerob
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Post Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:25 pm

I tried using an LFO to modulate the frequency of an eq point. This produces large gain spikes which makes it impractical in real world usage.

Many of the arp presets have retrig switched off and don't respond immediately to a note-on message. It might be better if they responded immediately, at least to the first note-on. Having said that, they are triggered when played by the DAW, which is obviously the main thing.

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VELLTONE MUSIC
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Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:38 am

What about the soundsets - if buy it and make one can it be sell trough your site or it will be wild west like with the most synths ... :)

Phil Sonic Academy
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Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:43 am

VELLTONE MUSIC wrote:What about the soundsets - if buy it and make one can it be sell trough your site or it will be wild west like with the most synths ... :)
we haven't added anything to restrict presets so yeah a bit wild westy... but we do open our store up to various sound design labels depending on the content. We also on occasion do buyouts on packs.. just depends really... we are pretty flexible. Most important thing is getting quality stuff to our users what ever way we do it.

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VELLTONE MUSIC
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Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:51 am

Phil Sonic Academy wrote:
VELLTONE MUSIC wrote:What about the soundsets - if buy it and make one can it be sell trough your site or it will be wild west like with the most synths ... :)
we haven't added anything to restrict presets so yeah a bit wild westy... but we do open our store up to various sound design labels depending on the content. We also on occasion do buyouts on packs.. just depends really... we are pretty flexible. Most important thing is getting quality stuff to our users what ever way we do it.
That's fantastish i probably will buy it and try to sell you something out ...hahahha :):):)i'm kidding...no seriously :):):Looks like very promising synth,but want to download the official demo,then will decide.)Cheerz :)

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strovoknights
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Post Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:21 pm

New Beta?
MaschineStudio_Flexi_for_Bitwig2.4(DrivenByMoss )
Here is Plugin Mappings for Bitwig

Phil Sonic Academy
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Post Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:15 pm

strovoknights wrote:New Beta?
Working on the modulation vs cpu thing at the mo... hopefully a new build this week.

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Synthman2000
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Post Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:21 am

As a friendly well meaned request...whilst reducing CPU taxation, which is what I presume you mean by the above..can you make sure the LFO rate is smooth (at fast rates through 25Hz-60Hz) and regular at least as good as NI Massive is when modulating a self resonant filter for fast bubbly effects. This is one of the first tests I do on a synth to see how competent the upper rates of the LFO's are. So many soft synths fall apart and create a nasty garbled irregular effect that makes them unusable for such synthesis. Few soft synths manage this well.

cb8rwh
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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:09 am

I see that the ANA 2 beta has been extended to the 16th, but when I try and use it in Bitwig it still says that the beta copy has expired. I tried downloading again, but no luck.

Are we able to use a new beta Phil?

Cheers

Phil Sonic Academy
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Post Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:10 am

We are just waiting for the new builds... hopefully have them up today.

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