Getting Hive?

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fluffy_little_something
KVRAF
12922 posts since 5 Jun, 2012

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:12 am

I too can't really imagine it, it is like imagining a 5-dimensional dung beetle :hihi:

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Urs
u-he
24304 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:15 am

Yeah, assigning an envelope to its own level is chaos. Don't do it, it's not worth thinking about. At best, you get an envelope that diminishes its own level, i.e. stays silent.

Assigning an envelope to its own rates is a very common technique on the Virus. So why not do it in software as well?

Dasheesh
KVRAF
3701 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:28 am

Urs wrote: Assigning an envelope to its own rates is a very common technique on the Virus. So why not do it in software as well?

you know I had a virus C redback edition for a long time but I never tried that one. I never even thought of it until Spire.

Dasheesh
KVRAF
3701 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:39 am

Man I love those Hive envelopes, so buttery and precise. They do exactly what you want. Hives envelopes are a very good experience. :)

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nineofkings
KVRAF
1773 posts since 9 Apr, 2011

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:01 am

Dasheesh wrote: well, I think it's a little more complicated then that because you have the shape of the entire envelope shaping one stage of the envelope, not shaping the entire envelope.... I'm still not satisfied with modulating envelope amount buy envelope amount of the same envelope.... I'm getting freaked out trying to visualize that. It's like a bad experience.
It would be, except for the fact that each stage of the envelope is, by definition, only happening when it's happening. So when the attack happens it only modulates the attack, when the decay happens it only modulates the decay, etc. You'd run into more complicated issues if you modulated envelope time with a different envelope, but not when you modulate an envelope time by itself.

fluffy_little_something
KVRAF
12922 posts since 5 Jun, 2012

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:16 am

I still can't imagine how it works, nor what the result would be. Maybe the problem is that the descriptions are vague.

Let's take a very simple envelope, only 10s of linear attack and 10s of linear decay, no sustain or release. When I apply that envelope to the attack phase, what would the resulting attack be/sound like? Would the increase get stronger during the first half (5s) of the attack phase, and then become weaker during the second half due to the decay phase as a modulator?
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Dasheesh
KVRAF
3701 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:17 am

nineofkings wrote:
Dasheesh wrote: well, I think it's a little more complicated then that because you have the shape of the entire envelope shaping one stage of the envelope, not shaping the entire envelope.... I'm still not satisfied with modulating envelope amount buy envelope amount of the same envelope.... I'm getting freaked out trying to visualize that. It's like a bad experience.
It would be, except for the fact that each stage of the envelope is, by definition, only happening when it's happening. So when the attack happens it only modulates the attack, when the decay happens it only modulates the decay, etc. You'd run into more complicated issues if you modulated envelope time with a different envelope, but not when you modulate an envelope time by itself.


UGH!, again with the bad experience. I'm going back to the safety of Hive. This makes me see double.

recursive one
KVRAF
4501 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:26 am

Here is some discussion abiout modulating envelopes by themselves

http://www.virus.info/forum/index.php/T ... recursion/

To my undertsanding, basically this is a way to change the curvature of attack or decay stage.
You may think you can fly ... but you better not try

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nineofkings
KVRAF
1773 posts since 9 Apr, 2011

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:56 am

Your name came in handy, recursive one :D. It's very hard to picture this if you think about it too hard. My suggestion is to try it and listen to the results. Take a sound with a medium decay, modulate the decay time by its own envelope, hear it become snappier.

Dasheesh
KVRAF
3701 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:12 am

OMG Hive does it too! Is there anywhere safe anymore?

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pdxindy
KVRAF
16318 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:27 am

Dasheesh wrote:well, I think it's a little more complicated then that because you have the shape of the entire envelope shaping one stage of the envelope, not shaping the entire envelope.... I'm still not satisfied with modulating envelope amount buy envelope amount of the same envelope.... I'm getting freaked out trying to visualize that. It's like a bad experience.
just listen...

aumordia
KVRist
260 posts since 16 Jun, 2015

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:03 pm

You can also just click the curves in e.g. Spire and get different envelope shapes. For maximum "punch" you can then kick in the x-comp.

Spire is a great little synth, that and Sylenth1 are basically all I use these days. It's a great setup if your objective is finishing tracks.
Makin' Music Great Again 8)

Soarer
KVRian
651 posts since 19 Mar, 2004 from Copenhagen

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:28 am

Both of these synths - Hive and Spire are really excellent and I see no other way than buying both of them :D
I've already used them in new tracks so once you do that there's really no turning back :lol:

Let me know if you want to sell Hive or Spire or if there's a sale somewhere.

Soarer
KVRian
651 posts since 19 Mar, 2004 from Copenhagen

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:49 am

Mission accomplished! I got both synths now and bought them from sellers here on KVR so I'd say this thread was indeed fruitful. KVR Rocks!
See you guys around!

recursive one
KVRAF
4501 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: Getting Hive?

Post Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:07 am

After hearing this

https://soundcloud.com/hollosound/sets/ ... ansmitting

Now I want Hive too. There are some very lovely "organic/liquid" qualities in these sounds, which I'm not quite sure I may find in Sylenth, Spire, or even That Hardware Synth.

Some kind of pattern here.
Diva - "nah, I don't need these old boring sounds" - bought it few years later, love it;
Bazille - "weird, noisy nonsence with these spaghetti-like cables, unusable for anything other than abstract modular geekery" - bought it few yeras later, absolutely love it;
Repro - "nah, who on earth need a monosynth without even a BP or HP filter in 2017" - bought it about a year later, totally fond of it.
Hive - "meh, a Sylenth clone which even fails to sound like Sylenth", what's next?
Zebra is the only one which still didn't do it for me. Never tried Ace though.
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