JP8000 supersaw...some questions

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KVRian
1322 posts since 7 Jun, 2007

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:10 am

Hi guys,
I'd like to get some opinions about which supersaw emulation sounds closest to an actual JP8000.
I have Diva, and I trust u-he to emulate the shiz outta the hardware in question, but are there any others which really get it right? How do Sylenth1, Spire, Synthmaster 2, LuSH-101, JP6k, and Alex Shore's Reaktor ensemble JP-4c hold up in comparison?
I'd like to be fussy here and keep the conversation to Roland-style 7-detuned saws supersaw emus, and not Virus hypersaws (9 saws), so if any of the above-mentioned synths do something different other than 7 saws please correct me. :tu: And if I've missed something please shout!

And a related question, is there anything "special" about the JP8000 filter? The JP6k apparently models the filter too. Which filter in Diva sounds closest to an actual JP8000?
Thanks a lot guys. Yes, I'm being ridiculously pedantic about this, I know. :oops: 8) :hihi:

KVRian
1315 posts since 27 Oct, 2009

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:31 am

About the JP6k filter, what I remember is that Adam bought the code from another guy. And I don't believe it was modeled on the JP8000 filter.

As far as the oscillator, Diva seems to have the closest Supersaw emulation. It actually has the whole osc section of the JP80x0.

KVRian
851 posts since 28 Oct, 2004

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:32 am


KVRAF
29953 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:35 am

Hey xalama. Electra2 also has 2 dedicated JP-8k waveforms, one clean without much aliasing, and one dirty, with aliasing, like in the original synth. It doesn't have the option to spread the unison voices over the stereo panorama though, and the oscillators are mono, so, apart from the detuning spread, you don't have many options there, and it also doesn't have JP-8k filters. Spire emulates the detuning law (if it's called like that... the way the parameter spreads the detuning of the unison voices, see Adam Szabo's paper) of the JP-8k, when you turn the Density parameter in the OSC section to 100%, the detuning laws are the same as on the Jp-8k, and, of course, you can also set 7x unison, and leave the ANA option on, which enables free running oscillators. Like Electra2, it doesn't have the JP-8k filter though.
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KVRian
1315 posts since 27 Oct, 2009

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:42 am

Totally forgot about this little supersaw-synth I made years ago. Based on this very paper and completely free. :)

http://www.box.net/shared/un1y5d6efbh14ut4s83m/

KVRAF
29953 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:46 am

I remember "emulating" the detuning law of the JP-8k in Dune 1/BE. Sounded like cr**. :hihi:
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KVRAF
5130 posts since 16 Nov, 2014

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:52 am

Sunrizer!

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KVRAF
2116 posts since 24 Feb, 2004 from Germany

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:26 am

Just use this
http://wokwave.com/old-plugins/html/sup ... k_vst.html
together with any synth.... :D
 
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KVRist
97 posts since 3 Jun, 2017

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:37 am

Not a very exciting or original sound to begin with, but I found that Xhip does a really nice supersaw with up to 16 unison voices which you can even multiply and pan.

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KVRAF
4281 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:47 am

LuSH-101 has supersaw section modelled after JP8000. It does have this something in it, however I didn't spend that much time with this oscillator to tell if it's good.

Following Adam Szabo's thesis, I had some very satisfactory results with Serum and even Harmor. Actually the half of trick is the chorus, pick TAL chorus for this one.
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KVRAF
8075 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:17 am

DJ Warmonger wrote:LuSH-101 has supersaw section modelled after JP8000. It does have this something in it, however I didn't spend that much time with this oscillator to tell if it's good.

Following Adam Szabo's thesis, I had some very satisfactory results with Serum and even Harmor. Actually the half of trick is the chorus, pick TAL chorus for this one.
You might be thinking of the Juno 106 :wink:

KVRist
97 posts since 17 Jan, 2017

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:58 am

It´s not only the saw. In my opinion The JP´s filtersound and the special envelope are also important for a real JP emulation.

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KVRist
172 posts since 15 Apr, 2016 from Germany

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:03 am

DJ Warmonger wrote:LuSH-101 has supersaw section modelled after JP8000. It does have this something in it, however I didn't spend that much time with this oscillator to tell if it's good.

Following Adam Szabo's thesis, I had some very satisfactory results with Serum and even Harmor. Actually the half of trick is the chorus, pick TAL chorus for this one.
Earlier I compared lush 101 to the above mentioned Reaktor ensemble and noticed that there's amp attenuation when you play with the filter in lush. Is that by design? It's rather annoying!

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KVRAF
10136 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:42 am

chk071 wrote:I remember "emulating" the detuning law of the JP-8k in Dune 1/BE. Sounded like cr**. :hihi:
Yep. Luckily in V2, its emulated perfectly (if you like that kinda thing) using one osc and the correct settings.

KVRian

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1322 posts since 7 Jun, 2007

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:08 am

Thanks for all the replies guys! I completely forgot about Sunrizer! :dog:

I love LuSH to bits but I read here recently that the supersaw is 9 saws (?!!) Seems like an odd choice for such a Rolandy synth. Can anyone confirm this? I also wonder what LuSH's "normal" filter mode is based on?

I'll be checking out Stargate now, thanks! :tu:

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