JP8000 supersaw...some questions

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KVRian

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1325 posts since 7 Jun, 2007

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:55 am

Stargate sounds very good! Pity it isn't a full synth! Nicely done.

I just quickly did a very unscientific gut-feel comparison between Diva and LuSH. In Diva I preferred the Cascade filter to the Multimode filter, for whatever that's worth, but I felt LuSH had more of the right vibe, and I preferred the "normal" filter to the SH-101 filter. Diva seemed warmer, but my impression of a real JP-8000 leans more towards the LuSH sound.

Obviously there's tons of overlap and with tweaking you could and should be able to get them to sound very very close. And as mentioned before, with Diva you get the whole JP-8000 oscillator section, not just a supersaw tacked onto an SH-101! (how rude of me! )

Would be interested to hear from others. Again, astounded by how good Sunrizer sounds! And crazy low CPU. Must resist.

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Urs
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26020 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:19 am

JP-8000 has a very clean digital filter. You can't get Diva to sound like that :hihi:

KVRian
972 posts since 12 Jan, 2013 from Foolish Shepherd

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:04 pm

Urs wrote:JP-8000 has a very clean digital filter. You can't get Diva to sound like that :hihi:
it's a joke , right.

KVRian

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1325 posts since 7 Jun, 2007

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:22 pm

Ah, thanks Urs for popping in! Good to hear your opinion on the filter. That's probably why LuSH's normal filter sounds right to me...it's not a "character" filter.
It's really great to have the various flavors Diva provides too.

KVRian

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1325 posts since 7 Jun, 2007

Post Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:24 pm

As a matter of interest could the JP-8000 filter be compared to the filter in the D50 or JD800/JD990?

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Urs
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26020 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Post Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:18 am

xalama qo wrote:As a matter of interest could the JP-8000 filter be compared to the filter in the D50 or JD800/JD990?
I don't recall the filter sound of the D-50, I just recall the funky concept they used to shape the sawtooth waveform behind the filter on the square wave.

The JD800 however had one of the first digitalfilters that allowed for a lot of resonance. It sounded horrible IMHO, with a lot of digital artifacts. Nothing like the juicy filter Kawai put into the K-4 (which had a bad firmware initially). It's been a long way since, my memory might fail me.

The JP-8000 filter is *okay*. More like the K-4 one, more control, "just works". It has no particular character as far as I remember, un,ike the Virus one, it seems to be a plain & state of the art digital filter. Which makes sense, because "character" is what is done in the JP-8000 oscillator. A characterful filter would probably have worked against that.

KVRian

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1325 posts since 7 Jun, 2007

Post Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:14 am

Thanks again Urs, really cool to have your insights here :tu:
A related question...why did you opt to go for such unusual "supersaw" voice counts in Zebra? 1, 2, 4, and 11. Were you deliberately avoiding comparison to the 7 or 9 saw hardware megasaws? Or just doing what you felt sounded best to you?

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KVRAF
4311 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Post Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:32 am

tehlord wrote:
DJ Warmonger wrote:LuSH-101 has supersaw section modelled after JP8000. It does have this something in it, however I didn't spend that much time with this oscillator to tell if it's good.

Following Adam Szabo's thesis, I had some very satisfactory results with Serum and even Harmor. Actually the half of trick is the chorus, pick TAL chorus for this one.
You might be thinking of the Juno 106 :wink:
Uhm not? As far as I see, Juno 106 doesn't even have a supersaw.
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KVRist
98 posts since 3 Jun, 2017

Post Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:35 am

xalama qo wrote:Thanks again Urs, really cool to have your insights here :tu:
A related question...why did you opt to go for such unusual "supersaw" voice counts in Zebra? 1, 2, 4, and 11. Were you deliberately avoiding comparison to the 7 or 9 saw hardware megasaws? Or just doing what you felt sounded best to you?
Cause it goes up to eleven.

KVRist
403 posts since 4 Nov, 2013

Post Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:40 am

fanodu1 wrote:
xalama qo wrote:Thanks again Urs, really cool to have your insights here :tu:
A related question...why did you opt to go for such unusual "supersaw" voice counts in Zebra? 1, 2, 4, and 11. Were you deliberately avoiding comparison to the 7 or 9 saw hardware megasaws? Or just doing what you felt sounded best to you?
Cause it goes up to eleven.
I don't think you understood his question. He's asking why you can't choose 7 or 9 or any other number besides 1,2,4,11
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KVRist
98 posts since 3 Jun, 2017

Post Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:50 am

Pyrotek45 wrote:
fanodu1 wrote:
xalama qo wrote:Thanks again Urs, really cool to have your insights here :tu:
A related question...why did you opt to go for such unusual "supersaw" voice counts in Zebra? 1, 2, 4, and 11. Were you deliberately avoiding comparison to the 7 or 9 saw hardware megasaws? Or just doing what you felt sounded best to you?
Cause it goes up to eleven.
I don't think you understood his question. He's asking why you can't choose 7 or 9 or any other number besides 1,2,4,11
Oh, well yeah that seems like an odd restriction.

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KVRian
623 posts since 19 Feb, 2011

Post Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:56 am

You can get the System-8 synth from Roland cloud beta.. Free.
No saving patches, i think. (only with S8-hardware on SD card)
(Maybe save as DAW/whatever host-preset!?.. dunno, must test.)
If interested..
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KVRian

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1325 posts since 7 Jun, 2007

Post Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:10 pm

Klinke1 wrote:You can get the System-8 synth from Roland cloud beta.. Free.
This sounds interesting...thanks for the heads up.

KVRian

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1325 posts since 7 Jun, 2007

Post Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:12 pm

fanodu1 wrote:Cause it goes up to eleven.

:lol: :D :clap:

Best played in D minor, the saddest key! :hihi:

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Post Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:18 pm

http://www.beepstreet.com/plugins/sunrizer

GUI certanly looks the part..the Sound No idea

although i do remember the jp8000 had a "feedback Oscillator" and thats missing from sunrizer
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