FM synth recommendations please?

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darksynth
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42 posts since 5 Jun, 2017

Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:14 am

Rob Papen Blue II
https://www.robpapen.com/blue2.html

up to 6 oscillators can be FM configured in 32 ways

can mix FM with other types of synthesis

has a very powerful FX section

comes loaded with a huge preset bank
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Augren
KVRian
1181 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Munich

Re: FM synth recommendations please?

Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:29 am

I used to use Sytrus for FM back in the day until I switched to the mac. IL still haven't managed a proper mac version of Sytrus, so I grabbed Bazille, intrigued by the cabling flexibility.
Should have done that sooner mind you, I haven't gotten that kind of FM quality out of anything else to date. Comes at the expense of CPU cycles depending on the modulation choices and polyphony.

I haven't really explored Zebra's FM capabilities much, so I can't comment on that.

Lotuzia
KVRAF
9698 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris

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Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:40 am

Hemmick Reef wrote:Thanks for the recommendations.

Dexed sounds identical to my old DX7. I love FM7 but it never had that vibe of the hardware.
Interesting.

I still have some hw Yamaha synths ( Tx-802, TG-77, DX7 II FD for the FM oldies)

I never had that much trouble to recover that vintage FM vibe with the FM8. Otoh, I found Dexed was lacking some features to emulate in depth if only a simple Dx7.

Then, ime, FM8 goes far beyond emulating the Dx series. Ymmv.
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VariKusBrainZ
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8153 posts since 16 Dec, 2002

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Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:47 am

zerocrossing wrote:Octopus was one of my favorites. I'm not sure if their going out of business sale is still on, but if it is, I'd snag it.
You can still get all their older stuff despite them stating they would pull them back in 2015

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Ingonator
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12010 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

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Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:58 am

dedicated FM synths i got here are:

- NI FM8
- Tone2 Nemesis
- Dexed (freeware)
- Ableton Operator (with LIve 9 Suite)

From those FM8 and Nemesis currently would be my favorites.
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Hemmick Reef
KVRian
1381 posts since 10 Jan, 2005 from UK

Re: FM synth recommendations please?

Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:20 am

Ingonator wrote:dedicated FM synths i got here are:

- NI FM8
- Tone2 Nemesis
- Dexed (freeware)
- Ableton Operator (with LIve 9 Suite)

From those FM8 and Nemesis currently would be my favorites.

Which is your favourite?

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Ingonator
KVRAF
12010 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

Re: FM synth recommendations please?

Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:55 am

Hemmick Reef wrote:
Ingonator wrote:dedicated FM synths i got here are:

- NI FM8
- Tone2 Nemesis
- Dexed (freeware)
- Ableton Operator (with LIve 9 Suite)

From those FM8 and Nemesis currently would be my favorites.

Which is your favourite?
NI FM8 for phase modulation + "classic" DX7 like FM stuff and Nemesis for real FM (not phase modulation) using the "NeoFM" modes.
The advantage of real FM liek in Nemesis is that you could properly use any waveform. Nemesi could import single cycle WAV files and als has a simple additive like waveform editor. FWIW it got phase modulation modes too taht try to rplicate the DX7 so you could easily comapre the differences of real Fm and phase modulation using the same waveforms. With a simple Sine wave the differnce is only very small.
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Ingonator
KVRAF
12010 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

Re: FM synth recommendations please?

Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:58 am

One FM synth i forgot to mention is Arturia Synclavier V which has a nice combination of FM and additive synthesis and is quite unique. Opposing to the original hardware with the plugin you could edit the waveforms for both the carrier and modulator.
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fmr
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7618 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: FM synth recommendations please?

Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:49 am

Ingonator wrote:One FM synth i forgot to mention is Arturia Synclavier V which has a nice combination of FM and additive synthesis and is quite unique. Opposing to the original hardware with the plugin you could edit the waveforms for both the carrier and modulator.
YES. How did I forgot that? :dog:

I also forgot Blue 2 and Zebra - both very good in FM (especially Blue 2).

This list grew bigger than I would imagine. It seems we have a broad choice of great FM synths, although many fall under the radar (if not at all, in what concerns their FM abilities, like e.g. Zebra and Blue 2)
Fernando (FMR)

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Hemmick Reef
KVRian
1381 posts since 10 Jan, 2005 from UK

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Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:09 am

There's this one too...

Oxe FM Synth

https://oxesoft.wordpress.com

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Ingonator
KVRAF
12010 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

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Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:33 am

fmr wrote: This list grew bigger than I would imagine. It seems we have a broad choice of great FM synths, although many fall under the radar (if not at all, in what concerns their FM abilities, like e.g. Zebra and Blue 2)
Actually a lot of VA and wavetable synths offer some sort of FM too.

For example with Largo any of the 3 oscillators could be used to do FM with all 3 Oscs (including doing FM with itself aka "FM feedback") and both filters.

DUNE 2.5 besides the dedicated FM Osc mode could use the Oscs as a mod source for almost everything.

The FM morph modes in Tone2 Icarus do use real/true FM similar to that in the "NeoFM" modes in Nemesis (NeoFM = true FM oposing to phase modulation).
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bibz1st
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1528 posts since 29 Mar, 2013

Re: FM synth recommendations please?

Post Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:27 am

Heres my hat in the ring...MUX from Mutools
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nichttuntun
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479 posts since 22 Nov, 2017

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Post Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:05 am

Ingonator wrote:
Hemmick Reef wrote:
Ingonator wrote:dedicated FM synths i got here are:

- NI FM8
- Tone2 Nemesis
- Dexed (freeware)
- Ableton Operator (with LIve 9 Suite)

From those FM8 and Nemesis currently would be my favorites.

Which is your favourite?
NI FM8 for phase modulation + "classic" DX7 like FM stuff and Nemesis for real FM (not phase modulation) using the "NeoFM" modes.
The advantage of real FM liek in Nemesis is that you could properly use any waveform. Nemesi could import single cycle WAV files and als has a simple additive like waveform editor. FWIW it got phase modulation modes too taht try to rplicate the DX7 so you could easily comapre the differences of real Fm and phase modulation using the same waveforms. With a simple Sine wave the differnce is only very small.
Hi Ingo. Usually I totally share your taste in synths. I listened to many demo and tutorial videos concerning NEMESIS of Tone2 from whom I love Icarus. But NEMESIS... it's hard for me to find that something in sound that makes it special or standing erected beside other FM machines soundwise. The sound is sterile has nothing of grittyness and no real lush tone to it. It seems to be so tamed down too please all the EDM loving people.

In addition it only offers two operators and two LFOs (a limitation which unfortunately ICARUS also has). For a very special FM based instrument shouldn't it have at least 6 operators and better 8?

I don't own the instrument and maybe I overlooked something important. How do you approach NEMESIS? Thank you I advance. Cheers.

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Nielzie
KVRAF
8974 posts since 28 May, 2005 from Netherlands

Re: FM synth recommendations please?

Post Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:12 am

BigTick Rhino! Do you guys remember that one? Still a beast of a (FM) synth imho :)
None are so hopeless enslaved as KVRians with GAS.

chk071
KVRAF
17032 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: FM synth recommendations please?

Post Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:19 am

nichttuntun wrote:It seems to be so tamed down too please all the EDM loving people.
Always funny again, what prejudices there seem to be present towards EDM. :D I'd say the opposite is true. Most EDM producers prefer the more raw, punchy, characterful synths. Think Massive, Sylenth1, Spire, and the likes. And, with reservations, Serum, because it seems to be quite clean, with a digital edge.

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