Looking for vst synths with "lots" of arpeggiated Sounds

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pdxindy
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20898 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:27 pm

EnGee wrote: Also, what do you mean by polyphonic?
Polyphonic? It cannot play two or more simultaneous notes.

It also does not have gate length... In the 2 Hive Arps the gate length is modulated which gives enjoyably musical results.

Hive Arps -
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Hive13.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Hive24b.mp3

In the Zebra arps, some of them have polyphonic steps, steps have different lengths, and some notes have polyphonic pitchbend in the arp.

Zebra Arps -
https://draigathar.org/sounds/kuitar.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/detar.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Pluckde2.mp3

Brittlestem
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1575 posts since 24 Feb, 2004

Post Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:46 pm

"What embecile composed this list :/"

ghettosynth
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13136 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:19 pm

While not on the complexity level of some of the synths mentioned, two of the AIR synths get honorable mention here. Xpand2, which is free right now, is a lightweight rompler with four layers that each has an independent arp. Also, Hybrid 2 has a phrase oriented arpeggiator with a large number of phrase presets that can be applied independently of the patch and, of course, saved with a patch.

EnGee
KVRAF
7634 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:34 pm

pdxindy wrote:
EnGee wrote: Also, what do you mean by polyphonic?
Polyphonic? It cannot play two or more simultaneous notes.

It also does not have gate length... In the 2 Hive Arps the gate length is modulated which gives enjoyably musical results.

Hive Arps -
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Hive13.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Hive24b.mp3

In the Zebra arps, some of them have polyphonic steps, steps have different lengths, and some notes have polyphonic pitchbend in the arp.

Zebra Arps -
https://draigathar.org/sounds/kuitar.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/detar.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Pluckde2.mp3
Arpeggios are not polyphonic, otherwise they are called chords and that becomes chords progression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpeggio

I give you that there is no gate/step length per step. But still, FM8 Arpeggiator is more capable than in Zebra or Hive IMO.

EnGee
KVRAF
7634 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:23 am

ghettosynth wrote:While not on the complexity level of some of the synths mentioned, two of the AIR synths get honorable mention here. Xpand2, which is free right now, is a lightweight rompler with four layers that each has an independent arp. Also, Hybrid 2 has a phrase oriented arpeggiator with a large number of phrase presets that can be applied independently of the patch and, of course, saved with a patch.
Yes I agree that Hybrid 3 has a very nice Sequencer/Arpeggiator and it is perfect for background harmony :tu:

There is also Largo with a step position (start/end), but if the OP already has FM8, I see no reason to buy a synth just for an arpeggiator. Some DAWs have nice arpeggio/sequencer in their midi tools as well, like Cubase, Live and Reason.

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pdxindy
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Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:31 am

EnGee wrote: Arpeggios are not polyphonic, otherwise they are called chords and that becomes chords progression.
Sure, but it is still a useful feature in an arpeggiator. Especially when you can make just 1 or 2 steps have polyphony. It adds a lot of possibility and flexibility.

ghettosynth
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13136 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:32 am

EnGee wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
EnGee wrote: Also, what do you mean by polyphonic?
Polyphonic? It cannot play two or more simultaneous notes.

It also does not have gate length... In the 2 Hive Arps the gate length is modulated which gives enjoyably musical results.

Hive Arps -
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Hive13.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Hive24b.mp3

In the Zebra arps, some of them have polyphonic steps, steps have different lengths, and some notes have polyphonic pitchbend in the arp.

Zebra Arps -
https://draigathar.org/sounds/kuitar.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/detar.mp3
https://draigathar.org/sounds/Pluckde2.mp3
Arpeggios are not polyphonic, otherwise they are called chords and that becomes chords progression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpeggio

I give you that there is no gate/step length per step. But still, FM8 Arpeggiator is more capable than in Zebra or Hive IMO.
Well, I do think that it's a little unfair to call the FM8 ARP basic, a basic arp is what's on pretty much all of my actual analog synths. Nonetheless, arps can have polyphonic features. Whether that labels it a "true arp" or not is somewhat beside the point.

EnGee
KVRAF
7634 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:59 am

In practice, we have so many tools/synths and techniques to make things all blend together (seq/arps/chords/noise ..etc). I'm playing now with FM8 but without the arp! I'm using one of the three or more midi tools that comes with Cubase, then adding some audio effects, and playing some few notes and .. Wow!

I could do that with any synth I have as well :hihi: So, in conclusion, knowledge/experience in both music and your tools, this can make the difference much more than the slight differences between some synths. Of course there are great synths and they make it easier to be inspired, but creativity doesn't depend only on that.

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Daru925
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269 posts since 20 Mar, 2015 from Nerima, Tokyo

Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:10 am

In ableton live, I like to use any synth, input chords, use an arp and scale device, then midi record. It renders an arpeggiated midi sequence.
Just an alternative method that i use, and is fairly quick to do.
I guess its possible in other daws

ghettosynth
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13136 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:12 am

EnGee wrote:In practice, we have so many tools/synths and techniques to make things all blend together (seq/arps/chords/noise ..etc). I'm playing now with FM8 but without the arp! I'm using one of the three or more midi tools that comes with Cubase, then adding some audio effects, and playing some few notes and .. Wow!
Sure, arps can be very much outside of a synth environment and defined at the midi/note level easily. The two main advantages of having them in a synth are saving with a patch and integrating modulation features with the synth.

ramseysounds
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1030 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK

Post Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:55 am

EnGee wrote: Yes I agree that Hybrid 3 has a very nice Sequencer/Arpeggiator and it is perfect for background harmony :tu:
This is in the Black Friday Plugin Boutique sale for £1 :o :o :o

I'm in :tu:
I wonder what happens if I press this button...

EnGee
KVRAF
7634 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:30 pm

ramseysounds wrote:
EnGee wrote: Yes I agree that Hybrid 3 has a very nice Sequencer/Arpeggiator and it is perfect for background harmony :tu:
This is in the Black Friday Plugin Boutique sale for £1 :o :o :o

I'm in :tu:
Yes it's insane price! I have no idea why they are doing this! Anyway, it's a great opportunity for people who start buying synths or can't afford any commercial synth I guess :)

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