X-mas 2017

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zenophilix
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Post Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:10 pm

I can no longer fathom the kind of things going through this guy's mind. Only in dance music? Capability = sound quality?

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BONES
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Re: X-mas 2017

Post Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:18 pm

That would be because you haven't been around long enough to remember what the world was like when analogue was the only option. If it is so clearly and obviously superior, why did absolutely everyone ditch it in favour of digital synths in the 1980s? Why are the biggest selling synths of all time all digital synths?
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egbert101
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Re: X-mas 2017

Post Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:31 pm

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samsam
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Re: X-mas 2017

Post Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:07 pm

Seems Bones is focusing on anal, which is fine. Each to their own, no?

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martinjuenke
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Re: X-mas 2017

Post Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:26 pm

samsam wrote:Seems Bones is focusing on anal, which is fine. Each to their own, no?
Maybe he‘s got a misplaced sticky bone where it shouldn‘t be ... :o

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AnX
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3418 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:56 am

BONES wrote:That would be because you haven't been around long enough to remember what the world was like when analogue was the only option. If it is so clearly and obviously superior, why did absolutely everyone ditch it in favour of digital synths in the 1980s? Why are the biggest selling synths of all time all digital synths?
Price and availability.

To use your oft used car analogy...the toyota corolla (?) is the best selling car.... is it the best car? No.

EnGee
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5031 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:37 am

AnX wrote:
BONES wrote:That would be because you haven't been around long enough to remember what the world was like when analogue was the only option. If it is so clearly and obviously superior, why did absolutely everyone ditch it in favour of digital synths in the 1980s? Why are the biggest selling synths of all time all digital synths?
Price and availability.

To use your oft used car analogy...the toyota corolla (?) is the best selling car.... is it the best car? No.
I think yes! :hihi:
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AnX
KVRAF
3418 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:12 am

Cheapskate :hihi:

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Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:16 pm

AnX wrote:Cheapskate :hihi:
Or poor/middle class ;)
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zenophilix
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759 posts since 21 Apr, 2016

Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:36 pm

AnX wrote:
BONES wrote:That would be because you haven't been around long enough to remember what the world was like when analogue was the only option. If it is so clearly and obviously superior, why did absolutely everyone ditch it in favour of digital synths in the 1980s? Why are the biggest selling synths of all time all digital synths?
Price and availability.

To use your oft used car analogy...the toyota corolla (?) is the best selling car.... is it the best car? No.
Maybe it is if you live in constant denial. :hihi:
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BONES
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Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:25 pm

egbert101 wrote:It's not about quality, but the opposite. Same reason why people ditch digital recording for tape, vinyl or cassettes.
Except nobody does those things these days. Consumers might be stupid enough to buy that garbage at retail but nobody records onto 16 track tape any more. There might be a tiny lunatic fringe but that's about the size of it and nobody takes them seriously.
AnX wrote:Price and availability.
Except they weren't really factors. A DX-7 wasn't much cheaper than a Jupiter 8, it was just a whole lot better and if you already owned half-a-dozen analogue synths, it was actually cheaper not to buy a new digital synth, especially as you'd have pretty much have to give away your old stuff because nobody wanted it.
To use your oft used car analogy...the toyota corolla (?) is the best selling car.... is it the best car? No.
I wasn't suggesting that popularity was a measure of quality, simply asking you guys to tell us why absolutely everybody dropped analogue synths at the very first opportunity. It's a simple question, the answer can't be too difficult to supply, can it?
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egbert101
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Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:37 pm

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Guenon
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1506 posts since 17 Jun, 2005

Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:48 pm

BONES wrote:Because people are complete idiots. In 1990 I couldn't give my two TB303s away because everyone saw them for the rubbish they are. Then, all of a sudden and for no valid reason, they are worth $1000. It's a joke.
Styles and preferences change. The TB-303 is a good example of an analog unit that wasn't particularly awesome in what it set out to do, and later, "misused", absolutely defined the sound of particular genres.

So historically and artistically, it's not as simple as you are making it out to be, and it's not as serious either ;). Again, styles and preferences change. People will drop something almost completely, then rediscover it in new ways when they notice it in a new context, be it a part of sub- or popular culture. It's okay! People create with various means, depending on where and when they are, surrounded by the influences they then combine into their own output.

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zenophilix
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Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:28 pm

BONES wrote:Except nobody does those things these days. Consumers might be stupid enough to buy that garbage at retail but nobody records onto 16 track tape any more. There might be a tiny lunatic fringe but that's about the size of it and nobody takes them seriously.
Excuse, me what. :lol: Did everyone suddenly forget the buttery rich tone of some of the things that were recorded at Sound City? You're never going to be able to replicate the tone, the richness, the character of that board. God, it's damn near magical.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're just wrong. It's so painfully obvious.
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AnX
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3418 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: X-mas 2017

Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:30 pm

BONES wrote:
egbert101 wrote:It's not about quality, but the opposite. Same reason why people ditch digital recording for tape, vinyl or cassettes.
Except nobody does those things these days. Consumers might be stupid enough to buy that garbage at retail but nobody records onto 16 track tape any more. There might be a tiny lunatic fringe but that's about the size of it and nobody takes them seriously.
AnX wrote:Price and availability.
Except they weren't really factors. A DX-7 wasn't much cheaper than a Jupiter 8, it was just a whole lot better and if you already owned half-a-dozen analogue synths, it was actually cheaper not to buy a new digital synth, especially as you'd have pretty much have to give away your old stuff because nobody wanted it.
To use your oft used car analogy...the toyota corolla (?) is the best selling car.... is it the best car? No.
I wasn't suggesting that popularity was a measure of quality, simply asking you guys to tell us why absolutely everybody dropped analogue synths at the very first opportunity. It's a simple question, the answer can't be too difficult to supply, can it?
I didnt drop them. Infact, i snapped up a good few bargains in the late 80's early 90's. I didnt own any digital stuff until i bought a PC and some software in 1999. (I used an Amiga thru the 90's tho, but just as a seq/sampler) I still dont own any digital hardware, absolutely no need when i can have it actually in the PC.

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