Your thoughts on Geist 2

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KVRian
853 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK

Post Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:18 pm

Geist 2 was a nightmare when I first used it, in particular problems with the GUI.
I don't have any now that I have sorted that out. However, I still find version 1 easier to use with no probs. at all. I just think that version 2 seems a bit bloated like they were trying to cram too much into the same size space. I hope they continue to develop it. It still is a lot better than most of its competitors.

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KVRist
260 posts since 17 Sep, 2020

Post Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:25 pm

Sea wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:30 pm
You’d think ROLI wouldn’t drop it but hopefully improve it. I don’t know why FXpansion sold out. Perhaps their sales were down.
That would seem the most logical step. But who know what goes on behind the scenes. :(

I'm thinking about taking a punt on Rob Pappen's Punch 2 (30% off at the moment). Doesn't look quite so fast as Geist but it still looks pretty cool and can do quite a lot.

KVRian
1004 posts since 9 Feb, 2007 from San Ramon, California

Post Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:41 pm

I like Geist but right now I would just avoid buying into it right now due to the uncertainties around Fxpansion and Roli. Given the issues I have had with Equator2 installation (eventually got it to install - not entirely sure how - now can't get it to update to version 2.1 and just sent in a support ticket today) I would avoid that, too. Honestly until we get some sort of reassuring response from Roli and Fxpansion that they are not going belly up and have got all their ducks in a row I would avoid them. That is just me, though, and I am invested pretty heavily in Fxpansion products. I got my years of use out of the licenses except Equator2, though I am still really peeved that Tremor and Bloom got discontinued (posted previously on this). Who knows why they got cut; lack of staff, lack of anyone knowing the code base, not fitting with Roli's MPE thing (so what if they are still great tools and people want to buy and use them), political fighting over rights, who knows. It is all speculation and I have wasted too much of my brain's CPU time on it already. There are plenty of other great plugins.

Cypher2 and Strobe2 have had incremental updates recently and a new public beta for some next update for those two plus Geist 2 was just announced. So that is a little reassuring... for products I can update and use with no issues now. Good. Incidentally if nobody has looked, the updater from Roli Connect for Cypher2 and Strobe2 just launches and runs the Fxpansion license manager thing, which always worked fine for me.
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KVRAF
2058 posts since 10 Jan, 2005

Post Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:40 pm

Gribs wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:41 pm
Cypher2 and Strobe2 have had incremental updates recently and a new public beta for some next update for those two plus Geist 2 was just announced. So that is a little reassuring... for products I can update and use with no issues now. Good. Incidentally if nobody has looked, the updater from Roli Connect for Cypher2 and Strobe2 just launches and runs the Fxpansion license manager thing, which always worked fine for me.
Where is the announcement about new updates? The official (new) Roli forum is almost empty and found no trace of other announcements around... also checked the FXPansion FB page but it seems only a sale showcase.

- Mario

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KVRAF
2205 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:49 pm

My thoughts are bring back Devine Machine & update it to the version 2 Devine Machine users were asking for before fxpansion stepped in & made it Guru

KVRist
289 posts since 26 Mar, 2014

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:33 am

vertibration wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:44 am
Its not really dead, it had a recent update I believe.
Well if you call jan 2020 as recent then yes but otherwise no.
Win 10, Bitwig 3.2.2, too many plugins, Novation Circuit Mono Station and now a lovely Waldorf Blofeld.

KVRian
1004 posts since 9 Feb, 2007 from San Ramon, California

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:17 am

mabian wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:40 pm
Gribs wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:41 pm
Cypher2 and Strobe2 have had incremental updates recently and a new public beta for some next update for those two plus Geist 2 was just announced. So that is a little reassuring... for products I can update and use with no issues now. Good. Incidentally if nobody has looked, the updater from Roli Connect for Cypher2 and Strobe2 just launches and runs the Fxpansion license manager thing, which always worked fine for me.
Where is the announcement about new updates? The official (new) Roli forum is almost empty and found no trace of other announcements around... also checked the FXPansion FB page but it seems only a sale showcase.

- Mario
They appeared in the Roli Connect app.
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KVRAF
2058 posts since 10 Jan, 2005

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:26 am

Gribs wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:17 am
mabian wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:40 pm
Gribs wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:41 pm
Cypher2 and Strobe2 have had incremental updates recently and a new public beta for some next update for those two plus Geist 2 was just announced. So that is a little reassuring... for products I can update and use with no issues now. Good. Incidentally if nobody has looked, the updater from Roli Connect for Cypher2 and Strobe2 just launches and runs the Fxpansion license manager thing, which always worked fine for me.
Where is the announcement about new updates? The official (new) Roli forum is almost empty and found no trace of other announcements around... also checked the FXPansion FB page but it seems only a sale showcase.

- Mario
They appeared in the Roli Connect app.
Thanks.

This is from another post in KVR Forum by Angus @ FXpansion:
Angus_FX wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:02 am
Last maintenance update to Geist2 was within a year or so. It's being looked at, but the next one may be a while off - am not able to say more than that at the moment, sorry.
- Mario

KVRAF
8285 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:43 am

mabian wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:26 am
This is from another post in KVR Forum by Angus @ FXpansion:
Angus_FX wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:02 am
Last maintenance update to Geist2 was within a year or so. It's being looked at, but the next one may be a while off - am not able to say more than that at the moment, sorry.
Yeah, that doesn't sound very promising. Especially considering you'd expect if they're going to continue support for Geist that they'd announce they're working on M1 support, or teasing a new version. Does it even work via Rosetta 2?

Oh well. Geist: works for now!

What's the next closest thing? Maschine? Which requires hardware? You'd almost think NI would want to get in the game and separate the Maschine hardware and software to maximize profits. I'm not the kind of artist who'd buy Maschine nor am I looking for any hardware (let alone have space for more gear) but if Maschine software were being sold that worked like Geist, I'd be all in for that.

KVRist
418 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:50 pm

I really like Geist 2, nothing out there nails its feature set. It is a shame, as I do think Roli should move forward with a drum solution to their line up. Who knows.......

KVRist
408 posts since 25 Nov, 2010

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:52 pm

Geist 1 had a more pleasant interface i think.

KVRist
418 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:33 pm

BrokenTrance wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:52 pm
Geist 1 had a more pleasant interface i think.
Absolutely, no doubt. I loved the Geist 1 interface. It was fast, and efficient. Geist 2 was just a bit all over the place for me with the UI

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KVRAF
1988 posts since 3 Mar, 2010

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:04 pm

The Geist 2 interface has been more sluggish for me, overall, than the Geist 1 interface. Maybe it is because of the resizable nature of it?

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KVRian
853 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:37 pm

They have tried to cram too much into it. This is why Geist 1 is still preferable and a joy to use.
Except, and this goes for both versions, it's really frustrating when trying to work with automation, in particular for me re Ableton Live. I found it too exhausting to figure out so don't bother anymore. Only enough hours in the day. It's still good for pattern making which is what I use it for these days.

KVRAF
2058 posts since 10 Jan, 2005

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 pm

vertibration wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:33 pm
BrokenTrance wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:52 pm
Geist 1 had a more pleasant interface i think.
Absolutely, no doubt. I loved the Geist 1 interface. It was fast, and efficient. Geist 2 was just a bit all over the place for me with the UI
Wholeheartedly agreed, much easier and pleasant on the eyes, more compact, convenient to work with. I understand Retina or HiDPI users won't be able to concur :)

- Mario

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