pdxindy wrote: Stefken wrote: pdxindy wrote: deastman wrote:
Have you heard of Ableton Live? Bitwig Studio? They’re pretty good at triggering sequences too!
They are... but if you want to play with complex patterns where different lanes have different lengths then Geist shines. It's also just fun and refreshing
Evolution will also feature poly rhythm in q1 or 2 18.
This is a classic drummachine but comes with excellent sounds otb. The sequencer is als a lot easier and faster imo while still allowing automation on macro controls.
So I went for Evolution instead.
Good luck with it...
The Evolution Sequencer is not a lot faster. It's simpler, so you will learn it faster, but once learned, the Geist sequencer is very fast because of the draw and key modifier options.
I quickly get frustrated with sequencers like Evolution... because they tend to be mechanical sounding and the tools aren't there to easily break out of the box.
For example, in Geist you can record your playing into the sequencer so its easy to play off grid and capture the groove you want.
You can also extend notes beyond the single step. So you can play a variety of melodies and basslines or add some sustained notes to your drums.
Evolution only has 12 sounds at a time. 12 is not enough for me. With Evolution, once you want to go past 12, you are using 2 instances and then its clunky to sequence. Geist 2 you can do 12, or 16, or 20 or more and in one sequence.
Geist is also interesting for live performance. You can trigger sequences via midi note. Then you can use the gated mode so the sequence only plays as long as you hold the note.
I think Evolution also has no layers. Geist has 8 layers per pad so you can create multi-sampled sounds. That makes Geist useful for acoustic drums which Evolution isn't.
If it turns out that Evolution is sufficient for you, great... but it really does not come close to the flexible and capability of Geist.
Evolution is a drum sequencer so it's scope will be limited to that. I'm fine with that. I hardly use loops and have never largely invested in samples. I'm more into synthesis.
You can make some basslines with Evolution but again scope is very much focussed on drums and the workflow and tools are highly focussed on it. The sampleset is really great. UI is pretty fast. So Evolution has a clear scope and target. Geist tries to be a lot at the same time and is more confusing.
Basic operation as inputting a note AND velocity is much faster. The sequencer gives a better overview for me. (Actually Geist did not fit on my screen). I'm hoping that key modifiers will be enchanced. Poly rhythm is scheduled.
12 sounds are ok for me, again within the scope of drums only.
Obviously basslines, melody will be added via other mechanisms. My DAW is pretty good at that. ; )
You do have a random slop function, 'analog variation', you can sequence variation in patterns, and you can automate. Poly rhythm will be added. A probability factor does not exist though so Geist will always be more generative than Evolution.
You can trigger via midi. Each instrument has 3 layers and the system is cleverly made. You have a main drum sound that is very well produced. Yiu can layer an attack and added layer on top of that and mix these layers via an xyz pad. The provided sounds seem pre-made with velocity layers build into them straight otb.
I guess looking at Geist as an MPC or a loop factory is a good way of looking at it.
I went for a focussed approach towards a drummachine. The sounds of Evolution are very good and I might 'never' need another one....
But at a 50% sale, Geist might be a very good buy for someone looking for an MPC.