One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak (mehum wins!)

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EDGEK8D
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113 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Chicagoland, USA

Post Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:56 pm

THE OG Classic freeware softsynth!

I haven’t used Crystal in ages, I’m talking “I barely know how to do anything” ages.

Forget the sampled sounds. There is literally no end to what you can do with this synth.

I need to look at the manual....is there one?

All I need is an initialized patch and I’m set.

Quick question: is there a filter env amount somewhere? Am I missing it? Or is it that you just adjust the level of the attack portion? That doesn’t really sound right to me though.

I expect to hear some amazing ring-modded/FM clangy percussive tones this month.

Good luck to all.
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The Chase
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10535 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:58 pm

EDGEK8D wrote:THE OG Classic freeware softsynth!

I haven’t used Crystal in ages, I’m talking “I barely know how to do anything” ages.

Forget the sampled sounds. There is literally no end to what you can do with this synth.

I need to look at the manual....is there one?

All I need is an initialized patch and I’m set.

Quick question: is there a filter env amount somewhere? Am I missing it? Or is it that you just adjust the level of the attack portion? That doesn’t really sound right to me though.

I expect to hear some amazing ring-modded/FM clangy percussive tones this month.

Good luck to all.
Same here! I remember opening it up and thinking it's so complicated. And the CPU usage was considered brutal for the time.

For sure, the clang with a touch of FM/RM makes for some really good metallic percussion. Teamed with the extensive envelopes it's kind of a percussive dream.
teilo wrote:
bh9090 wrote:Wow. I think I used this thing in the 90s. :lol: Can't believe it's still going.
So that explains the UI. First thing I thought: Straight out of the 90s.
Not sure if you're serious but Crystal's updated GUI was considered pretty good for the time. 90's synths looked much much worse:

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Tj Shredder
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1263 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:59 am

I did not find any place to define pitch bend, do I have to set it up in the modulation part? Pitch bend is the crucial parameter for expressive playing...

functionform
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206 posts since 13 May, 2017 from Virginia

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:53 am

Yep, modulate the voice pitches. The nice thing about that setup is that you can have one env control multiple pitches.

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eraze the borders
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124 posts since 4 Apr, 2012 from Berlin, Germany

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:49 am

I really like this synth!

But has anyone else problems with tempo-syncing the lfo rate? It doesn't seem to work for me. I'm using Reaper.

EDIT:

Classical user fault, now I understood the logic behind it. Cycles per beat! :roll: :D
Failure is success in progress.

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] Peter:H [
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584 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:06 am

I'm sorry to ask the stupid question again - Are we allowed to use the built in Samples for our patches. I know that bj asked us to use synthesized stuff and that some of you guys asked the same question...anyway, I haven't found a answer from bj in this thread or did I just miss it... Help / Instructions appreciated

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H-man
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638 posts since 26 Dec, 2007 from Australia

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:48 am

bjporter wrote:Note: To keep things simple and within the spirit of the challenge, please use synthesized oscillator types only. No sound fonts / samples.
I would say that is Crystal clear. Sorry, could not contain myself :ud:

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H-man
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638 posts since 26 Dec, 2007 from Australia

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:55 am

Much respect to your advanced sample granular mangling technique PH, but let's face it tho, this will hardly be a limitation given the scope of the synth.

On another note, any one else getting crashes when modding various things with the LFO's? Can't cause this on demand but have managed to crash Studio One and Live so far.

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] Peter:H [
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584 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:05 am

H-man wrote:
bjporter wrote:Note: To keep things simple and within the spirit of the challenge, please use synthesized oscillator types only. No sound fonts / samples.
I would say that is Crystal clear. Sorry, could not contain myself :ud:
Never mind...then I have to find a replacement for one of the aux presets, thats still in the mix.
Anyway if you like to listen to what I put forward in terms of crystal clear mix - punchy electro in ya face, turn up the volume and enjoy. Just a short loop repeated several times, hope I don't get bored and will finish it.
https://soundcloud.com/p-e-t-e-r-h/osc- ... ip/s-XHeNo

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H-man
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638 posts since 26 Dec, 2007 from Australia

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:37 am

That is definitely a solid start Peter H. Solid mix and drives hard. Nice envelope work too.

On the other hand I have just spent the last hour mostly listening to feedback from the delays section.

Limiters On people! :scared: :clown:

functionform
KVRist
206 posts since 13 May, 2017 from Virginia

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

The Chase wrote: Not sure if you're serious but Crystal's updated GUI was considered pretty good for the time. 90's synths looked much much worse:

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I won't lie, I wish vsts came in ironic retro guis.

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Tj Shredder
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1263 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:08 am

Tj Shredder wrote:I did not find any place to define pitch bend, do I have to set it up in the modulation part? Pitch bend is the crucial parameter for expressive playing...
functionform wrote:Yep, modulate the voice pitches. The nice thing about that setup is that you can have one env control multiple pitches.
The not so nice thing, there is no pitch bend in the modulation sources. The sounds I get out of Crystal are nice, but without the basic and essential expression I'll probably skip also this round and rather get something patched up in Reaktor... Looking forward to the results though...

ontrackp
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602 posts since 13 Jan, 2013 from United States

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:39 pm

Crystal question -- anyone know how to modulate LFO depth? It's easy to modulate oscillator pitch with an LFO, but I can't figure out which parameter modulates LFO depth. None of the obvious routings seem to work. Thanks.

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H-man
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638 posts since 26 Dec, 2007 from Australia

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:57 am

ontrackp wrote:Crystal question -- anyone know how to modulate LFO depth? It's easy to modulate oscillator pitch with an LFO, but I can't figure out which parameter modulates LFO depth. None of the obvious routings seem to work. Thanks.
Studio One can see all 778 parameters (Named and unamed). Live is different, one just tweaks the control and it creates a parameter in sequence (eg. parameter 1 ...2 ...3 etc.) and you have to name them if you are the neat and tidy type.

FLS on the other hand only sees the Named Parameters in the browser and you can access the others via the Last Tweaked menu (Tools).

So I guess it depends on which DAW you are using?

ontrackp
KVRian
602 posts since 13 Jan, 2013 from United States

Re: One Synth Challenge #114: Crystal by Green Oak

Post Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:59 am

H-man wrote:
ontrackp wrote:Crystal question -- anyone know how to modulate LFO depth? It's easy to modulate oscillator pitch with an LFO, but I can't figure out which parameter modulates LFO depth. None of the obvious routings seem to work. Thanks.
Studio One can see all 778 parameters (Named and unamed). Live is different, one just tweaks the control and it creates a parameter in sequence (eg. parameter 1 ...2 ...3 etc.) and you have to name them if you are the neat and tidy type.

FLS on the other hand only sees the Named Parameters in the browser and you can access the others via the Last Tweaked menu (Tools).

So I guess it depends on which DAW you are using?
I use Logic Pro X, and I could probably start digging in and find the appropriate parameter and assign a midi CC or just use track or region automation, but I was really hoping there would be an easy way to assign, let's say, a Modulation envelope to ramp the LFO depth up so the note starts clear and then the pitch mod eases in. That would be a pretty typical modulation routing. But thanks!

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