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Your opinion about Zebra 2
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660
- KVRAF
- 6076 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
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- KVRAF
- 2280 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
Yes, that’s it. Well sometimes you add a bit of noise to gain complexity. And everytime you’re trying to get something more ”modern”, you have to deal with something that sounds like a saw but that’s not strictly a saw.
Then, you have to play with octaves. Most fat supersaws are made from three octaves layered. Chosing a slightly different wave for the upper octave totally changes the feeling and can give a more modern sound.
Of course, you can detune differently each octave.
The result is that there are millions of possible variants.
Some may chose to use a fast vibrato instead of detune also...
Please don’t read the above post. It’s a stupid one. Simply pass.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
And this can't be done with Zebra?
In theory it can be done because you can lay three oscillators (those fatty ones) and can modulate their parameters with lfos. I don't see a problem in doing them, but to make an exact replica of a sound. I don't know! It needs strong skills in sound design and patience to create them.
In theory it can be done because you can lay three oscillators (those fatty ones) and can modulate their parameters with lfos. I don't see a problem in doing them, but to make an exact replica of a sound. I don't know! It needs strong skills in sound design and patience to create them.
- KVRAF
- 10187 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
I wouldn't say that you *can't* do it with Zebra, just that Zebra isn't optimized to quickly make modern supersaws the way other synths (e.g., Hive, Spire, Sylenth1, Dune) are, so it requires more effort and knowledge. It's more like, if Zebra is your only synth or the synth that you're most familiar with, it'll probably get the job done. But, if I'm wanting a huge supersaw and my choices are Zebra and Hive, I'm going with Hive.
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- KVRAF
- 2280 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
Of course this can be technically done. But it doesn’t sound in any way like a modern supersaw. Zebra2 simply hasn’t the right tools for this (maybe it’s the detuning processor, but I think this is the lack of high frequencies generation before all). Just try to make a fat supersaw with Zebra2 and any supersaw lover will have a good laugh. This has been tried in this very thread some pages before I believe.EnGee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:36 pm And this can't be done with Zebra?
In theory it can be done because you can lay three oscillators (those fatty ones) and can modulate their parameters with lfos. I don't see a problem in doing them, but to make an exact replica of a sound. I don't know! It needs strong skills in sound design and patience to create them.
Hive2 does it perfectly though, so every tool for every usage.
Hive2 perfectly nails this modern sound I’m after. With this synth U-He filled a hole in their market imho.
My favourite synths for supersaws would be Avenger or Navira, personal tastes...
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- KVRAF
- 15508 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
- KVRAF
- 2280 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
My view is that the only synths that can truly do anything are the ones that include sampling, resampling and granular synthesis.
So no, Zebra2 can’t do anything. Or you’ll spend billion of years trying to recreate a patch, finally claiming ”hey I’m a super skilled synth programmer, I’ve made the patch!!” when I have finished 30 songs.
Zebra2 is super cool for what it does. But when you need a supersaw or anything super modern, go Hive2. When you need a 80’s feeling, use Diva. And so on.
That’s why I’d love a more modern native sound for Zebra3 and maybe some more synthesis options, like resynthesis (that gives something between sampling and wavetables). Zebra3 could be the real ultimate synth.
Well, that’s just my view.
So no, Zebra2 can’t do anything. Or you’ll spend billion of years trying to recreate a patch, finally claiming ”hey I’m a super skilled synth programmer, I’ve made the patch!!” when I have finished 30 songs.
Zebra2 is super cool for what it does. But when you need a supersaw or anything super modern, go Hive2. When you need a 80’s feeling, use Diva. And so on.
That’s why I’d love a more modern native sound for Zebra3 and maybe some more synthesis options, like resynthesis (that gives something between sampling and wavetables). Zebra3 could be the real ultimate synth.
Well, that’s just my view.
Please don’t read the above post. It’s a stupid one. Simply pass.
- u-he
- 28044 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Hive came about because I wanted to explore different tuning laws for supersaw oscillators - triggered from perpetual criticism of Zebra. Goes to show that we listen so much to criticism, we actually create new products from it!
- KVRAF
- 2280 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
Well, nailed it !
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
@cryophonik and DJErmac:
I see. It is good for me then not to try
Anyway, I don't believe in "one synth doing it all". If this is the case, then even for u-he they wouldn't made other synths! So, for me I don't see any problem if I can't find (or can't reach) the exact sound I want in a synth. I just use another synth!
One thing I noticed is that many videos show the gentle side of Zebra, but when I played around yesterday, I found my image is not exactly correct. Well, maybe 10 years ago, but now I find it really a great synth. Still if I want more analogue sound, I go to RePro and Diva and if I want a deaper FM/PD or/and deeper programming with a great sequencer, I would go to Bazille. I don't do EDM (not because I dislike it, but because it is not my thing), so not sure I will miss something with Zebra and other synths I have! Also, let's see what Zebra 3 will add
@ghettosynth:
You are "over" analysing and overreacting and over...etc. Your are an "uber" guy! Unfortunately, your post tells me nothing useful!
I see. It is good for me then not to try
Anyway, I don't believe in "one synth doing it all". If this is the case, then even for u-he they wouldn't made other synths! So, for me I don't see any problem if I can't find (or can't reach) the exact sound I want in a synth. I just use another synth!
One thing I noticed is that many videos show the gentle side of Zebra, but when I played around yesterday, I found my image is not exactly correct. Well, maybe 10 years ago, but now I find it really a great synth. Still if I want more analogue sound, I go to RePro and Diva and if I want a deaper FM/PD or/and deeper programming with a great sequencer, I would go to Bazille. I don't do EDM (not because I dislike it, but because it is not my thing), so not sure I will miss something with Zebra and other synths I have! Also, let's see what Zebra 3 will add
@ghettosynth:
You are "over" analysing and overreacting and over...etc. Your are an "uber" guy! Unfortunately, your post tells me nothing useful!
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- KVRAF
- 15508 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
This is actually a good and "direct" advice! Thanksghettosynth wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:29 pmWell, don't read it then. You know, the forum has a setting for you such that you get to ignore all of my posts.
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- KVRAF
- 15508 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660
- KVRAF
- 6076 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
Dude please , stop it already !
Give me one example of your supermodern sound which you think is not achievable with zebra ( exluding granular + sampling )
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- KVRAF
- 2280 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
OK, this is the exact file I already posted when we had this talk a few months ago.gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:31 amDude please , stop it already !
Give me one example of your supermodern sound which you think is not achievable with zebra ( exluding granular + sampling )
(no external processing)
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