Vember Audio Surge is now open-source

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KVRist
444 posts since 22 Aug, 2013

Post Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:14 pm

I briefly testing shortcircuit 1 and 2 again last week. They are still great samplers. Engine wise and Interpolation I think sc2 is better than sc1. Sfz import in sc1 is great also. It reads and maps parameters nicely (which supported).

Looking forward to see the new improvements. Good luck to the team!

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KVRAF
21710 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:10 pm

MTorn wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:53 pm
I’m glad you mention Shortcircuit.
I’m looking forward to it immensely. Any chance of a status update on the progress? Perhaps a screen shot?
There's no UI to show for SC XT just yet. It has been stagnating for quite some time due to VSTGUI>JUCE port of Surge.
kinwie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:14 pm
Engine wise and Interpolation I think sc2 is better than sc1.
As far as I can tell, SC2 is a literal upgrade on top of SC1, interpolation algorithm is the same.

KVRist
444 posts since 22 Aug, 2013

Post Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:10 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:10 pm
As far as I can tell, SC2 is a literal upgrade on top of SC1, interpolation algorithm is the same.
Yeah right, just tested again, they both have the same interpolation quality. Not linear, but a better one. Seems like hermite. The different is the sample start or maybe in sc1 it affected by default attack.

KVRist
482 posts since 27 Feb, 2007

Post Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:45 am

Ah you can actually move the orange strips on env icon to change the algo, great !.
IMO allowing wav samples to be loaded wont make it suddenly a sampler, you cant set different envelope per osc so... would be great to have it in, as a gimmick.

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KVRAF
21710 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:23 am

You CAN set different envelopes per osc, by using MSEG or LFO in Envelope mode and modulating the mixer volumes.


It's a lot of work to support "a gimmick" :)

KVRian
511 posts since 28 Oct, 2014

Post Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:59 am

Just a little note about version numbers:-

Logic's plugin manager reports Surge's version number as being 1.0.1 and the SurgeEffectsBank as having an invalid version number. It doesn't really matter for Surge but when there's an invalid version number it can cause Logic to rescan the plugin for validation on each load. That said, I've only noticed this happening once recently, so it's no real issue.

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KVRAF
21710 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:32 am

It was fixed just today. We don't have nightlies running just yet, but Surge XT will have it fixed.

KVRAF
2123 posts since 3 Dec, 2006

Post Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:46 am

will surge xt be free?

KVRian
511 posts since 28 Oct, 2014

Post Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:20 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:32 am
It was fixed just today. We don't have nightlies running just yet, but Surge XT will have it fixed.
Great, thanks.

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KVRAF
21710 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:23 am

surreal wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:46 am
will surge xt be free?
Why wouldn't it be?

KVRAF
2123 posts since 3 Dec, 2006

Post Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:13 am

Just wondering. .I have seen many projects similar to this go back to being a paid product after many improvements

KVRAF
2121 posts since 10 Jan, 2005

Post Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:46 am

I guess it will be free XT. 😁

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KVRAF
5838 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:00 pm

surreal wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:13 am
Just wondering. .I have seen many projects similar to this go back to being a paid product after many improvements
Surge is open source, free as in speech. That its also free as in beer is a side effect… Surge is not similar to projects you seem to think of, they had been just free as in beer…
GPL should be taught at school…

KVRAF
8151 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Post Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:50 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:23 am
surreal wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:46 am
will surge xt be free?
Why wouldn't it be?
Why even add the xt? :dog: The work on Surge stands on it's merits, throwing on an extra bit of title text just leads to questions. Vital has free and paid versions, as do Sampletank and Kontakt etc. Each towing a raft of customer questions. Pretty natural to wonder what the xt is all about. I have no clue myself. Surge is impressive. I would consider an XT version to differ in some significant way. If it's not 'donations' of some sort, I'd just drop the xt and pretend it never happened.
Cheers

KVRAF
5718 posts since 9 Jul, 2002 from Helsinki

Post Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:17 pm

They probably want to call it XT because it includes a significant amount of improvements over the original?

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