One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheese (mmGhost Wins!)

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z.prime
KVRAF
1658 posts since 29 Sep, 2011

Post Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:05 pm

Taron wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:59 pm
Thanks, Z! Posted it a while back already:
viewtopic.php?p=7190695#p7190695
;)
I missed it; nice track for sure. Cheers!

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Taron
KVRAF
2215 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Croatia

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 am

Yeah, did a sneaky early delivery, hehe...really because I fell in love with TC right away and kinda couldn't wait to share it. :hyper: Thanks!

doctorbob
KVRian
1159 posts since 7 Mar, 2014

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:34 am

Humph!!!

Anyone have their track deleted by Soundcloud??? My submission from ages ago has disappeared. So I have reloaded it. Of course your nice comments have also gone.

I'll upload again, and add the details again here when I have time.

[Edit - and it's back - what a strange thing … ]

dB

https://soundcloud.com/doctorbob/doctor ... ple-cheese
Last edited by doctorbob on Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:32 am, edited 1 time in total.

functionform
KVRist
215 posts since 13 May, 2017 from Virginia

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:07 am

Is it me or do the envelopes not really affect Tone and Damp for various osc types? For example, I take a Pluck, turn up Tone, put Envelope 2 on it, and I don't hear the tone being controlled by the envelope even though I turn the level all the way up in either positive or negative direction. I'm on 4598.

I can control it by using a Damp osc as the final osc and putting an envelope on that knob, but that uses up a slot. It would be a lot nicer to control it in one item.

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Taron
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2215 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Croatia

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:47 am

Yes, they work, but you must know that the envelope is bi-polar (which you know, but know that half of the mod (env) parameter represents the whole of the tone parameter range!) and each osc type has it's own character, regarding the tone. Especially plucks are very stubborn, because of how the sound is being generated. It's not your typical wave rendering, but an impulse and treatment (comb sustain, so to say). As a result you have a hard attack and a sudden loss of energy. Modifying that with envelopes is tricky, because you mostly affect the attack phase with the most spectrum.
Anyway, rest assured that they work! Plucks can best be influences with quick envelopes (attack, decay with short values).
It's possible to get some very interesting mallet type effects that way, for example.

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Daru925
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193 posts since 20 Mar, 2015 from Nerima, Tokyo

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:53 am

you guys made amazing tracks. The only use i have for comb filter is making cheesy karplus-strong guitars in massive :D Doiiing

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Darksynth FX
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141 posts since 15 May, 2016 from Vienna

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:14 am

My submission:

https://soundcloud.com/darksynth-fx/dar ... ten-dreams

DAW: Ableton Live 10 Suite
8x Triple Cheese
7x Ableton EQ8
7x Ableton Utility
1x Voxengo Stereo Touch
1x Ableton Glue Compressor
1x Voxengo Tube Amp
2x Ableton Limiter
1x Tal-Reverb 2 (Send)
1x Ableton Simple Delay (Send)
Last edited by Darksynth FX on Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
Female dark synth producer.
https://soundcloud.com/darksynth-fx

functionform
KVRist
215 posts since 13 May, 2017 from Virginia

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:36 am

Ah, hmm, thanks for the clarification Taron!

doctorbob
KVRian
1159 posts since 7 Mar, 2014

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:30 am

… and … the track came back this morning … glitchy things going on!

I'll replace the audio file with my current one - just in case an old version came back.

dB
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h.s.j.e.
KVRer
4 posts since 9 Jun, 2018

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:31 am

I've been messing around the margins of KVR and the OSC for a while, and thought this might be a good month to take the plunge. I've only recently begun to take music more seriously as a hobby, and I think that shows up particularly in sound design and mixing/mastering. Grateful for any advice or feedback you might have.

Made for OSC 116 Triple Cheese by U-he
Reaper 5.961
15 instances of Triple Cheese

FX
ReaVerb
OldSkoolVerb x 6 (one instance on a separate FX channel)
ReaEQ X 8
Sonic Anomaly Transpire x 1 (on the kick)
MAnalyzer (on the master channel)

https://soundcloud.com/user-832411082/h ... ht-osc-116

liqih
DASH Guy
7276 posts since 20 Sep, 2001

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:47 am

Nutty Dread Eats Cheese&Fruits

Produced in Ableton Live.
Stock effects, Equalizers, Delays, EQs, Reverb, Limiter.
Many atutomatizes of synth and effects parameters.
12 instances of the synth.

https://soundcloud.com/liqih/nutty-drea ... eesefruits
(download the high bitrate MP3 and enjoy lows and highs on your stereo)

I'm not terribly happy with the mix, I've could have spent two more days on it, but other jobs take my time.
http://nusofting.com
NUSofting : Peti Modelonia Sinnah

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J.T.'s Penrose
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2 posts since 31 Oct, 2018

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:30 pm

Reprieve and Remembrance

A chaconnic rondo for u-he's Triple Cheese synth. Please enjoy!

https://soundcloud.com/j-t-davis-859745 ... emembrance

DAW: SoundBridge
Six instances of Triple Cheese
Luke 17:10

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mmGhost
KVRist
201 posts since 24 Aug, 2009 from CO, USA

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:00 pm

My entry - Untethered

x38 U-he Triple Cheese
All plugins and FX from Logic Pro X (no third party stuff this time, except synth)
Had fun trying out the new Chroma Verb - nice built in algorithmic reverb in Logic X

Kind of a different vibe from what I normally do

Not really any tricks. I tried to preserve the comb filter nature of the synth as much as possible. Drums were challenging. I used the built in delay and reverb a lot, can hear it a lot on the percussions. The damp knobs were automated quite a bit throughout to emulate filter movements.

Cheers - hope it's enjoyable
https://soundcloud.com/mmghost/mmghost- ... ed-osc-116
Soundcloud | Spotify | YouTube Tutorials
"Just sidechain everything to everything"

Rellik
KVRian
1223 posts since 22 Aug, 2003

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:24 pm

@z.prime @Taron thank you for the suggestions! They definitely opened my eyes to the major issues (especially the weak bottom end) - the sidechain was a great call. I also reworked the drum sound designs, not that they're anything special still, but got a little more punch out of them.

Over the last couple days I had a few versions that I thought sounded better, but realized a few hours later they were just worse all around... I finally have one I think is better but I could still be fooling myself :D no pressure at all, but I'd be curious if you think this new mix is better or overboard https://soundcloud.com/rellyk/fundido-mixedmastered

@h.s.j.e. I have trouble with sound design and mixing/mastering myself, but I'll share my opinions on your entry. I feel like the main issue I see with the sound design is I'm not sure the track has an opinion on whether it wants the sounds to be "real" or not - I really like the first pizzicato sound you open with because it has a character of its own, but most of the rest of your elements feel more like imitations of real orchestral instruments (nicely designed imitations under the given constraints, but still cheap imitations). Mix-wise, you're stacking a lot of layers in the bottom end - cello + bass + bass drum are dominant - and even the higher strings/"brass" don't have much in high-mid/high frequency range.

So one way you might try to address both issues at once would be to revisit your sound designs and try to significantly enhance the richness in the mids/highs (something that Triple Cheese is very strong at), even if it makes the instruments less recognizable as their orchestral counterparts. In general if you listen to most "heroic" film-style music (Hans Zimmer, Klaus Bedelt, Harry Gregson-Williams, maybe those names are dated by now, I'm not sure :oops:) even the cellos + bass alone will exhibit a giant richness in the mids/highs (I think, again I'm not an expert :P). By the way, your double-bass is really cool, it sounds super bowed thanks to the overall articulation!

@liqih just wanted to say I completely love your sound design! That big hollow bass is so creative to me - and your structure is great, it evolves so much but feels so disciplined/dramatic/like it has a specific story worth telling.

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Kontrollgruppe
KVRer
9 posts since 23 Dec, 2017

Re: One Synth Challenge #116: Triple Cheesy by U-he

Post Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:42 pm

My Halloween submission:
https://soundcloud.com/wush-1/leaves

DAW: Cakewalk Sonar Platinum

FX:
- 1x Cakewalk Boost11
- 1x Cakewalk PX-64
- 1x DiscoDSP Nightshine
- 1x Smartelectronix Ambience
- 1x Sonitus Compressor

Synths:
- 7x U-he Triple Cheese

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