Cytomic Synthesizer

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andy-cytomic
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2155 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:26 pm

Distorted Horizon wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:32 am
Not in existence, but could it be possible? Mr. Cytomic I know you're here!!

You'll most probably have most of the building blocks already there somewhere, so why not smashing all that into a nice, modeled synth :D

Nicely modeled osc's, Drop through nice filters, little modeled FX after that, some screaming distortion, maybe some Glue just before the output and.. :tu:
I've already designed the first Cytomic synth :) It will cover subtractive analog synthesis in a eurorack modular style, but with easier audio / modulation routing. My aim is to not replace peoples analog kit, but to make it much quicker and easier to get what they want with a level of tone close enough that they can keep the analog kit for one off type stuff that analog kit still excels at.

The plan is to offer "chunks" of DSP which can be connected in arbitrary ways and presented in a concise and direct user interface. There are a bunch of killer features that will be in there, but I'll wait till DSP development is more final and the product is closer to release before going into details and providing audio examples. As you can probably guess it will feature most of the filter types in The Drop, but they will all be "morphing" so you can smoothly change between high pass / low pass / band pass / notch with any of them. It will be a level above any synth I've previously worked on in terms of audio quality and flexibility of routing and modulation :tu:
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com

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andy-cytomic
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2155 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:41 pm

Here is a brief history of the filter DSP I've worked on:

Around 15 years ago I coded my first filters under the name Vellocet, they weren't detailed and accurate analog models, but they were the best I could do at the time. These I later licensed to Steve Duda for use in Lucifer and LFOTool, and he later licensed them for Serum too.

I also licensed these "Vellocet" algorithms to FXpansion, but went on to do more detailed analog models and released then in the form of Strobe, Cypher, and Amber.

After I left FXpansion Ben from Camel approached me since the filters he got Antti Huovilainen to do for them weren't quite working properly, and Ben was having difficulty getting in contact with him. I helped out getting them to work, while maintaining as similar a sound as possible for compatibility with existing presets. I would not classify the Camel filter work as "my own", so I would not say I wrote the filters in Alchemy, I just got Antti's filters working properly with minimal changes, and I did this work mainly since Ben and Antti are both friends.

Then I went on to form Cytomic, and developed the most accurate analog modelling filter algorithms do date in the form of The Drop. Some of these filters I licensed to Ableton for use in all their devices. These currently include:
Wavetable, Auto Filter, Simpler, Sampler, edit: Operator, Echo (the feedback filter), and EQ8 (linear / clean filters). The filter types I licensed from The Drop are the "MD" versions of: MS2, SMP, OSR, and PRD, and also a clean SVF algorithm which is used as a low cpu alternative devices and also in EQ8.

So the only Cytomic filters available anywhere but Cytomic products are those in Ableton live. If anyone has any questions then please let me know!
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The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com

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sqigls
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3053 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:47 pm

allow me to be the first to say...




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cron
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3066 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:51 pm

I didn't realise you were previously Vellocet Andy! Some of the first plugs I remember using.

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andy-cytomic
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2155 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:03 pm

cron wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:51 pm
I didn't realise you were previously Vellocet Andy! Some of the first plugs I remember using.
Yes, my good friend Skot and I were Vellocet :) Just to fill in a little more of the picture: Skot and I worked together at FXpansion, and he went on to become the technical director and wrote the software side of BFD and more, with Steve Duda (now Xfer / Serum) coming up with the original product idea and massive multichannel samples for BFD.
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com

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5666 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:11 pm

andy-cytomic wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:03 pm
cron wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:51 pm
I didn't realise you were previously Vellocet Andy! Some of the first plugs I remember using.
Yes, my good friend Skot and I were Vellocet :) Just to fill in a little more of the picture: Skot and I worked together at FXpansion, and he went on to become the technical director and wrote the software side of BFD and more, with Steve Duda (now Xfer / Serum) coming up with the original product idea and massive multichannel samples for BFD.
Trip down memory lane for me as an end user. :tu:

cron
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3066 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:36 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:11 pm
andy-cytomic wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:03 pm
cron wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:51 pm
I didn't realise you were previously Vellocet Andy! Some of the first plugs I remember using.
Yes, my good friend Skot and I were Vellocet :) Just to fill in a little more of the picture: Skot and I worked together at FXpansion, and he went on to become the technical director and wrote the software side of BFD and more, with Steve Duda (now Xfer / Serum) coming up with the original product idea and massive multichannel samples for BFD.
Trip down memory lane for me as an end user. :tu:
Same. VReorder was like a vision of the future, the point where I realised VST was near-limitless in what it could do to audio. A bittersweet vision of the future as DAW to plug communication wasn't really at the point where it was wholly usable (tempo sync and timeline sync wasn't really possible in those early years AFAIK), but a vision of the future nonetheless. Quite a trip coming from years of FastTracker 2.

Distorted Horizon
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1102 posts since 17 Jan, 2017

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:31 am

DubLifeSD wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:26 am
Since we have The Drop, we need Cytomic: The Rise
Why not use the one from Air? 8)

Distorted Horizon
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1102 posts since 17 Jan, 2017

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:46 am

andy-cytomic wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:26 pm

It will be a level above any synth I've previously worked on in terms of audio quality and flexibility of routing and modulation :tu:
You may believe that I'd love to be part of testing it and give an opinion how I can bend it to psychedelic side of music :love:

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andy-cytomic
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2155 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:42 am

cron wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:36 pm
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:11 pm
Trip down memory lane for me as an end user. :tu:
Same. VReorder was like a vision of the future, the point where I realised VST was near-limitless in what it could do to audio. A bittersweet vision of the future as DAW to plug communication wasn't really at the point where it was wholly usable (tempo sync and timeline sync wasn't really possible in those early years AFAIK), but a vision of the future nonetheless. Quite a trip coming from years of FastTracker 2.
Thanks fellas!

Fastracker 2 was my first music making software on PC, what an awesome program!
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com

jens
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18734 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:15 am

Distorted Horizon wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:31 am
DubLifeSD wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:26 am
Since we have The Drop, we need Cytomic: The Rise
Why not use the one from Air? 8)
That's called "the Riser"
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carrieres
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1550 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Poissy, France

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:29 am

nice story bringing memories !
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DrGonzo
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Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:44 am

andy-cytomic wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:26 pm
I've already designed the first Cytomic synth :)
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Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:12 am

andy-cytomic wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:42 am
cron wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:36 pm
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:11 pm
Trip down memory lane for me as an end user. :tu:
Same. VReorder was like a vision of the future, the point where I realised VST was near-limitless in what it could do to audio. A bittersweet vision of the future as DAW to plug communication wasn't really at the point where it was wholly usable (tempo sync and timeline sync wasn't really possible in those early years AFAIK), but a vision of the future nonetheless. Quite a trip coming from years of FastTracker 2.
Thanks fellas!

Fastracker 2 was my first music making software on PC, what an awesome program!
How about revisiting it? ;)
https://16-bits.org/ft2.php - Olav has converted as much as possible of the original to be able to run it on new operating systems and machines.

Also thanks for "fixing" Abletons EQ8, no more external EQ plugin after 9 came out

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zerocrossing
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9298 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Cytomic Synthesizer

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:21 am

I’m super excited for a Cytomic synth.
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