UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

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Rik
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145 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Ottawa, Canada

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:36 pm

So out of curiosity, how does Falcon compare to other synths out there? What would be the other equivalents?

I was wondering about Synthmaster… Synthmaster has also all kinds of synthesis too and has a wide range of presets. How do they compare? Is that a fair comparison?

What would you guys use Falcon for that you can't do with other synths?

Erik.

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plexuss
KVRAF
2465 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:48 pm

When you say "compare", in what context do you mean? Just in general, or more specific? For example, how do they compare in terms of sound? workflow? architecture? etc. I was going to answer your question but it's such a general question that it would require me to cover all aspects of both synths. I don't have the time to write out a complete and detailed comparison. So if you can narrow things down a bit that would help. :phones:

Rik
KVRist
145 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Ottawa, Canada

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:07 pm

plexuss wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:48 pm
When you say "compare", in what context do you mean? Just in general, or more specific? For example, how do they compare in terms of sound? workflow? architecture? etc. I was going to answer your question but it's such a general question that it would require me to cover all aspects of both synths. I don't have the time to write out a complete and detailed comparison. So if you can narrow things down a bit that would help. :phones:
:-P It certainly wasn't that clear. I was really wondering in terms of sound. I can imagine that the workflow is quite different, but I think my question should be - for what kind of sound would one use Falcon instead of another synth?

Kinh
KVRian
1159 posts since 26 Aug, 2012

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:15 pm

How they're similar is everything is small and fidgety , the workflow isn't great and I personally find them quite frustrating and use Omnisphere for sound design.

What you can do in Falcon that SM cant is work with samples but it's prone to crashing depending on how much cpu you use.
As far as sampling goes: The granular in Falcon is really the only standout feature, everything else like time stretching and slicing you can do in most daws.

As far as sound, I think Falcon sounds better but that's because it has a better range of effects (I believe). they both have the basic 6 wave forms. Omnisphere in contrast has those but also a massive range of others, digital, classic analogue for every possible application, in fact probably the most in any synth.
They both have wavetable synthesis. SM has a bigger selection of (individual) waves for that but Falcon has a bunch of multi wave presets. The GUI however is very small compared to say Serum or Ableton Wavetable. Having said all that, I haven't updated SM for a while

SoundPorn
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319 posts since 24 Jul, 2018

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:06 am

I don't think they compare. Synthmaster is used to make music. Falcon can be used to make anything you can imagine. The only thing that really compares to Falcon is Reaktor.
Synthmaster has 2 oscillators. Falcon has 15 and they're different. It's not close to Abletons Wavetable synth either it's more like Abletons Wavetable, combined with Operator, combined with Granular, combined with Sampler for starters.

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ATS
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6028 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:17 am

I like Synthmaster but comparing it to Falcon is like comparing a Toyota to a Ferrari.
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fmr
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8305 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:25 am

ATS wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:17 am
I like Synthmaster but comparing it to Falcon is like comparing a Toyota to a Ferrari.
It's more an "all terrain car" than a Ferrari :hihi:

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(maybe not so appealing aestethically, but more accurate image, IMO). A Ferrari is fast, but somehow fragile and not very adaptable. An "all terrain" is not so fast, but you can drive it wherever you want, and it's solid and robust.

And let's not forget another "all terrain" synth/sampler: HALion. But Synthmaster 3, if Bulent delivers what he is planning, will rival these, indeed.
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EvilDragon
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17340 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:25 am

Kinh wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:15 pm
How they're similar is everything is small and fidgety
Falcon has UI scaling, so no, things aren't small and fidgety if you use that.
Kinh wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:15 pm
What you can do in Falcon that SM cant is work with samples but it's prone to crashing depending on how much cpu you use.
Falcon never crashed over here even when maxing out the CPU.
Kinh wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:15 pm
everything else like time stretching and slicing you can do in most daws.
Not with IRCAM algorithms you can't - unless you have those pretty expensive IRCAM plugins in your DAW.
SoundPorn wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:06 am
Falcon can be used to make anything you can imagine. The only thing that really compares to Falcon is Reaktor.
Not really. In Reaktor you can do your own DSP, in Falcon you can't. Omnisphere is the closest thing to Falcon - with a big difference that in Falcon you can use your own multisamples instead of a single sample per layer like in Omni.

Cinebient
KVRAF
3890 posts since 16 Nov, 2014

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:39 am

For synthesis only Synthmaster is much better for me.
If you want a hybrid and you have a really powerful machine than Falcon is good.
Falcon can´t really fly on my machine and so i just use it for hosting sample libraries like Bohemian Violin and Cello. Otherwise it´s damn slow and not as fluid as Kontakt if it comes to large sample libraries.
CPU usage is way to high and no multi-core support makes it not really usable for me.
The synthesis options are nice but not really good for me.
Some great FX and modulations but that´s also all possible with most of stock plugins in your DAW of choice.
From all hybrid synths i own is Falcon the last i would use.
At the end Synthmaster and Falcon are very different tools and workflows.
No demo for Falcon means i would investigate more before you buy.

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fmr
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8305 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:50 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:25 am
SoundPorn wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:06 am
Falcon can be used to make anything you can imagine. The only thing that really compares to Falcon is Reaktor.
Not really. In Reaktor you can do your own DSP, in Falcon you can't. Omnisphere is the closest thing to Falcon - with a big difference that in Falcon you can use your own multisamples instead of a single sample per layer like in Omni.
I wouldn't compare it to Reaktor either. More to HALion.

This said, I don't think Omnisphere can compete. The granular synthesis in Omnisphere has no comparison, AFAIK, it doesn't do wavetable synthesis (again, AFAIK), doesn't have as many filters as Falcon (Matrix-12 like filter, for example), and doesn't do physical modeling synthesis or FM synthesis either.

Not to say that Falcon is a powerful sampler/sample player, which Omnisphere isn't (not even close).

And (last but not the least) it is WAY MORE expensive.
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Cinebient
KVRAF
3890 posts since 16 Nov, 2014

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:06 am

Omnisphere is so different from Falcon as well. Then i would compare it more to Alchemy.
But then Alchemy wins, even when Falcon is more versatile in theory.
But then Omnisphere beats them both for things like parameter lock, easy microtuning and in general for setting it up fast a live performance.
Alchemy still win hands down for more moving sounds in general.
Ah....at the end just buy them all :D

Kinh
KVRian
1159 posts since 26 Aug, 2012

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:14 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:25 am
Kinh wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:15 pm
How they're similar is everything is small and fidgety
Falcon has UI scaling, so no, things aren't small and fidgety if you use that.
Kinh wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:15 pm
What you can do in Falcon that SM cant is work with samples but it's prone to crashing depending on how much cpu you use.
Falcon never crashed over here even when maxing out the CPU.
Kinh wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:15 pm
everything else like time stretching and slicing you can do in most daws.
Not with IRCAM algorithms you can't - unless you have those pretty expensive IRCAM plugins in your DAW.
SoundPorn wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:06 am
Falcon can be used to make anything you can imagine. The only thing that really compares to Falcon is Reaktor.
Not really. In Reaktor you can do your own DSP, in Falcon you can't. Omnisphere is the closest thing to Falcon - with a big difference that in Falcon you can use your own multisamples instead of a single sample per layer like in Omni.
How do I resize the modules in falcon? the scaling is for the frame. all the modules stay the same size. Unless there's something I dont know.
The IRCAM algorithms are actually pretty close to Abletons as far as retaining quality goes. Ive tested them together (with re-tuning vocal) . In fact Ableton's complex pro is slightly better to my ears...less harshness.
Speaking of which, it's actually the IRCAM that cause mine to crash (i7 6core, 32G) so I never use it. Glad you got a better system than mine. I was thinking of upgrading to i9 but I shouldn't have to, every other plugin works perfectly

Oberheim 8000
KVRist
191 posts since 1 Feb, 2014

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:09 am

How do I resize the modules in falcon? the scaling is for the frame. all the modules stay the same size. Unless there's something I dont know.
You can't, only whole UI: Options > Preference > UI SCaling and you can choose from 75% to 150%.
Whole UI will be resized, that means all text, knobs, faders, etc.. will be bigger or smaller, depends on scaling.

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EvilDragon
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17340 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:30 am

fmr wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:50 am
AFAIK, it doesn't do wavetable synthesis (again, AFAIK)
Omni does do wavetables.

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fmr
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8305 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: UVI Falcon vs Synthmaster?

Post Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:34 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:30 am
fmr wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:50 am
AFAIK, it doesn't do wavetable synthesis (again, AFAIK)
Omni does do wavetables.
Didn't know. I stand corrected, then :tu:

Can we load our own wavetables? Which format does it use?
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