Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

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mtelesha
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Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:22 am

DiscoDSP Bliss is able to do granular - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmdvJgX0XG0

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Autobot
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:23 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:09 am
Autobot wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:25 am
whyterabbyt wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:18 am
[...] Almost nothing you've mentioned is a 'full' granular synthesiser, they almost all include it within what's basically a subtractive synth wrapper [...]
Do not want to argue just interest in your knowledge. So what is a full granular synthesizer for you?
For me it's the fact that a sample get granulated and I can control a good amount of the way it' gets granulized. Density, Speed, Pitch, distribution, sample point, loop, etc.

And of course a envelope or filter are not necessary but welcome ... so yeah subtractive :oops:
CrusherX is the closest on your list, and then, Im afraid, its all those tools used to build the MAX/csound/supercollider stuff you're not interested in. What we tend to get in VST-land is granular synthesis oscillators, not granular synthesisers, and there's a lot more to the latter (for example, consider if each grain had its own effects chain and how you can deal with clusters of grains) .

http://granularsynthesis.com/software.php

Granular synthesis doesnt actually have a prerequisite of using a sample by the way; that's the instant-gratification implementation we most commonly see, but the grain source can be a simple single-cycle wavetable.

If you're interested, definitely have a read of a copy of Curtis Roads' Microsounds.
Ahh okay. Thats where you coming from :hug:

I exclude the programming stuff because it needs programming or? I can code html/xml but always was afraid of those environments. I rather wanted a "easy" solution. Or is there some kind of presets/ready-to-use-objects?
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Teksonik
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:28 am

Alchemy has always been my favorite for granular. Still available on the Mac but I don't know if it's locked to Logic or not since I don't own a Mac. Still works just fine on Windows here but no longer available for purchase.
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whyterabbyt
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:36 am

Autobot wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:23 am
I exclude the programming stuff because it needs programming or? I can code html/xml but always was afraid of those environments. I rather wanted a "easy" solution. Or is there some kind of presets/ready-to-use-objects?
Not really, I think Crusher-X might be your best bet. Have a look at the link I gave you, though, its a pretty decent list there.
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Autobot
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:37 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:36 am
Autobot wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:23 am
I exclude the programming stuff because it needs programming or? I can code html/xml but always was afraid of those environments. I rather wanted a "easy" solution. Or is there some kind of presets/ready-to-use-objects?
Not really, I think Crusher-X might be your best bet. Have a look at the link I gave you, though, its a pretty decent list there.
Super. Thank you very much.
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Dasheesh
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:18 am

The confusion comes from 95% of granular on the market are grain filters. There are very few that produce grains at the oscillator level... only a couple I can think of. Most of it is taking a sound source and breaking it up into grain - a grain filter. If you want to put limitations on your sound source, like a sample or a non grain oscillator... that's different.

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Autobot
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:29 am

Dasheesh wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:18 am
The confusion comes from 95% of granular on the market are grain filters. There are very few that produce grains at the oscillator level... only a couple I can think of. Most of it is taking a sound source and breaking it up into grain - a grain filter. If you want to put limitations on your sound source, like a sample or a non grain oscillator... that's different.
Allright. Can you name some apps which can "produce grains at the oscillator level" ? TIA
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Dasheesh
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:13 am

@autobot, granular got started with scoundrel and then took off with the max msp crowd. they were still playing with grain filters at that time though. the grain oscillators are a newer phenomena that came with more powerful cpus. i believe it's called "pulsar" synthesis. there used to be one called nuklear, i don't know if it's still on the market. i believe the tone2 one is pulsar (would have to look it up), and i think there is a freeware one floating around.

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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:13 am

i stick to grain filters myself fyi.

Dasheesh
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Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:16 am

also, i think that wave table synthesizer that waves has might actually produce with grain oscillator synthesis.

pilotredsun
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Neon Breath
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Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:44 pm

Granulizer by Inertia Sound System is great and pretty unique.

https://www.inertiasoundsystems.com/sto ... ranulizer/
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:03 am

pilotredsun wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:32 pm
TubeOhm Pure-Grain https://www.kvraudio.com/product/pure_d ... by_tubeohm
Off topic here, but I wonder if TubeOhm will produce 64-bit versions of their synths, as I thought there was a 64-bit version of SynthEdit now... but could be wrong. :?

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Tj Shredder
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:28 pm

Dasheesh wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:13 am
@autobot, granular got started with scoundrel and then took off with the max msp crowd. they were still playing with grain filters at that time though. the grain oscillators are a newer phenomena that came with more powerful cpus. i believe it's called "pulsar" synthesis. there used to be one called nuklear, i don't know if it's still on the market. i believe the tone2 one is pulsar (would have to look it up), and i think there is a freeware one floating around.
Granular synthesis started with the work of Curtis Roads.
I have no idea what you mean with grain filters. There are no filters involved in granular synthesis. The original idea is that there is a perceptional minimal recognizable sound grain. Make a fade in and out as short as possible on a sine wave which would still have its pitch...
Never heard about scoundrel, there seems to be a rock band with that name, but no granular sounds from them... Could you elaborate?

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VariKusBrainZ
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Re: Please, let's collect granular instruments (and such)

Post Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:20 pm

Granulab

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