DUNE 3 is now available!!

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KVRAF
1861 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Post Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:20 am

AnX wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:09 pm

you know, its very strange... a built in wavetable editor was by far the biggest feature request in D2. Since it was implemented in D3, i havent seen a single user mention it (apart from Mark who builds a ton of maths based wt's)
I certainly havent seen anyone else offering wt's they have created themselves
I guess user requests can be a strange thing.
The best way to deal with it imo is to dig deeper and ask for more and more detail.
Than you can see that sometimes users can do with a simpler implementation than they ask for. Sometimes a certain need can also be 'created' e.g. because another synth has it. (If the neighbour has it, i need to have it too).

It's always very important to know what users actually DO with a product. Users don't always know what they need themselves.

In this case it would seem that only a small percentage of users actually make WT themselves?
That would have been vital info to know beforehand.

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Teksonik
KVRAF
13103 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:40 am

Until Synapse says what their plans are for the future it's pretty pointless making feature requests if we don't know if development of Dune will continue or they will start a new project.

I've seen several people post with some confidence and enthusiasm that "Synapse is working on an Oberheim emulation".

I might vote for that over tacking on more features to Dune 3 most of which don't expand the range of sounds it can make one bit.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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wagtunes
KVRAF
18474 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:01 am

AnX wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:09 pm
Dune2supersaw wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:23 pm
Is there a tutorial for the wavetable editor somewhere. ?
apart from the manual, im not aware of one.

you know, its very strange... a built in wavetable editor was by far the biggest feature request in D2. Since it was implemented in D3, i havent seen a single user mention it (apart from Mark who builds a ton of maths based wt's)

i have no idea how it works, i use the original separate app, so i assume everyone instinctively knows how it works, or it it was a total waste of time adding it as nobody uses it. I certainly havent seen anyone else offering wt's they have created themselves

:shrug:
I made a crap ton of WTs for Dune 3 included in my library. I just don't talk about it much. But I found it my favorite part of Dune 3. If that matters any.

kosmios
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33 posts since 27 Feb, 2019

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Post Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:09 am

kosmios wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:25 am
I wanted to ask about the Delay module:

- the Simple + Offset algo has not control knob for offset. How do we control that? If I remember correctly, Dune 2 had offset knob? Don't have it installed, so can't verify.

And most delay algos have the exact same controls, excluding Filtered and Swing - looks a bit half-baked to me, to the point of thinking - is that by design, or an error? I mean, what's the same between Dual PP, Diffuse and Tape? They are vastly different processes, but in Dune 3, have the exact same set of controls. Why is that?
So I've checked version 2 and there is no Offset knob for the Simple+Offset delay mode either.

And the manual says: Simple+Offset is identical to the Simple delay, except that the right channel is delayed. <By how much? Is it hardcoded, or changes with the time settings? On which channel?>
When both channels share the same delay time, this sounds like the ping-pong delay except
for a missing first echo.
<Missing on right channel, I assume. But this is not an offset, the first echo should happen later. And this is not an offset either, offset is when the delay (wet signal) is delayed by a certain amount against the dry signal, BEFORE the delay settings kick in.>

In other words, it's a mess.
Like I said, the delay module needs a lot more attention. Oh, but backwards compatibility...
Riiight... :roll:

AnX
KVRAF
6554 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

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Post Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:24 am

kosmios wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:09 am
kosmios wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:25 am
I wanted to ask about the Delay module:

- the Simple + Offset algo has not control knob for offset. How do we control that? If I remember correctly, Dune 2 had offset knob? Don't have it installed, so can't verify.

And most delay algos have the exact same controls, excluding Filtered and Swing - looks a bit half-baked to me, to the point of thinking - is that by design, or an error? I mean, what's the same between Dual PP, Diffuse and Tape? They are vastly different processes, but in Dune 3, have the exact same set of controls. Why is that?
So I've checked version 2 and there is no Offset knob for the Simple+Offset delay mode either.

And the manual says: Simple+Offset is identical to the Simple delay, except that the right channel is delayed. <By how much? Is it hardcoded, or changes with the time settings? On which channel?>
When both channels share the same delay time, this sounds like the ping-pong delay except
for a missing first echo.
<Missing on right channel, I assume. But this is not an offset, the first echo should happen later. And this is not an offset either, offset is when the delay (wet signal) is delayed by a certain amount against the dry signal, BEFORE the delay settings kick in.>

In other words, it's a mess.
Like I said, the delay module needs a lot more attention. Oh, but backwards compatibility...
Riiight... :roll:
if you think its buggy or wrong, email their suport, im sure Rich or Marcin will be happy to look into it.

kosmios
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33 posts since 27 Feb, 2019

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Post Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:45 am

AnX wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:24 am
if you think its buggy or wrong, email their suport, im sure Rich or Marcin will be happy to look into it.
It's not buggy, it's wrong. And it's not clear how it works. The whole delay section is half-baked. They should be aware of that, they've worked on Dune for how many years already? Need a wake up call from me?!

AnX
KVRAF
6554 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

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Post Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:07 am

kosmios wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:45 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:24 am
if you think its buggy or wrong, email their suport, im sure Rich or Marcin will be happy to look into it.
It's not buggy, it's wrong. And it's not clear how it works. The whole delay section is half-baked. They should be aware of that, they've worked on Dune for how many years already? Need a wake up call from me?!
obviously, as no one else has noticed

kosmios
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33 posts since 27 Feb, 2019

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Post Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:57 pm

So effectively, you have been, and are trolling. If this isn't already obvious enough to everyone.

kosmios
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33 posts since 27 Feb, 2019

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Post Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:05 am

And since you are so knowledgeable and JUST KNOW that the current implementation is correct, please explain how Offset works in the Simple+Offset mode of the Delay section.

1. Offset by how much?
2. Static or depends on time settings?
3. Why right channel only?
4. Why the first echo on right is lost if time settings are identical?
5. Why does it behave like a ping-pong if time settins are identical? It's supposed to be SIMPLE, not PING-PONG, ffs!

Thanks!

AnX
KVRAF
6554 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

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Post Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:11 am

kosmios wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:53 pm
AnX wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:07 am
kosmios wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:45 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:24 am
if you think its buggy or wrong, email their suport, im sure Rich or Marcin will be happy to look into it.
It's not buggy, it's wrong. And it's not clear how it works. The whole delay section is half-baked. They should be aware of that, they've worked on Dune for how many years already? Need a wake up call from me?!
obviously, as no one else has noticed
Yes, obviously.

I've noticed that you have a total of three types of reply to any suggestions/criticisms about Dune:

1. ah, what's there to improve, why do you think that would be an improvement?!?!?!
2. write to the devs buddy, by all means!
3. getting nasty and replying with sarcasm, irony and insults.

Listen, smart shit, this is NOT THE WAY to reply to me.

Understood?

no, could you clarify?

AnX
KVRAF
6554 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

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Post Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:14 am

kosmios wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:05 am
And since you are so knowledgeable and JUST KNOW that the current implementation is correct, please explain how Offset works in the Simple+Offset mode of the Delay section.

1. Offset by how much?
2. Static or depends on time settings?
3. Why right channel only?
4. Why the first echo on right is lost if time settings are identical?
5. Why does it behave like a ping-pong if time settins are identical? It's supposed to be SIMPLE, not PING-PONG, ffs!

Thanks!
please link to the post where i said it was correct?

I'll repeat, as you seem to have problems comprehending, if you think it's wrong, contact the dev directly. They dont spend all day searching forums. Which part of that do have a problem with?

kosmios
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33 posts since 27 Feb, 2019

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Post Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:32 am

Hey Richard, this guy AnX is doing a disservice to you and your company, please consider firing him, if he's on your payroll, or just advise him how to behave, if he's not.

I know you're not reading forums all day, but come on!

AnX
KVRAF
6554 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

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Post Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:34 am

kosmios wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:28 am
AnX wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:14 am
kosmios wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:05 am
And since you are so knowledgeable and JUST KNOW that the current implementation is correct, please explain how Offset works in the Simple+Offset mode of the Delay section.

1. Offset by how much?
2. Static or depends on time settings?
3. Why right channel only?
4. Why the first echo on right is lost if time settings are identical?
5. Why does it behave like a ping-pong if time settins are identical? It's supposed to be SIMPLE, not PING-PONG, ffs!

Thanks!
please link to the post where i said it was correct?

I'll repeat, as you seem to have problems comprehending, if you think it's wrong, contact the dev directly. They dont spend all day searching forums. Which part of that do have a problem with?
You're the dimwit in the room. So now you're saying it's wrong? Oh, but you didn't say that either? So what did you say? Contact the devs, now where have I heard that?!

you mentioned a problem, you've been given a suggestion to help, but you refuse to do that and would rather moan and attack the person trying to help.... and im the troll?

grow up.

AnX
KVRAF
6554 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:38 am

kosmios wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:32 am
Hey Richard, this guy AnX is doing a disservice to you and your company, please consider firing him, if he's on your payroll, or just advise him how to behave, if he's not.

I know you're not reading forums all day, but come on!
service@synapse-audio.com

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Teksonik
KVRAF
13103 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

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Post Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:27 am

kosmios wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:09 am
So I've checked version 2 and there is no Offset knob for the Simple+Offset delay mode either.
I know this guy got his red card already but for future reference the "Width" knob is the Offset Knob. Easily seen by using 1/1 for the Rates and setting the Width Knob to 100%. Switching between "Simple" and "Simple+Offset" shows the difference between the two modes. Until noted otherwise one assumes the behavior is intended since Simple+Offset has been around since Dune 2.

Just another case of someone mistaking "There is a problem " with "I have a problem". :shrug:

Anyway as AnX has said if you have an issue, want to report a bug or you don't think something is functioning the way you want then posting in this thread is not likely to get any results.

Post at the Synapse forums or use the service address AnX provided. :tu:
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