DUNE 3 is now available!!

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KVRian
1405 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:58 pm

Let's be honoust , synapse audio has never been inventive when it came to ui design , with a tendency to mimick fisher price looking toys .
Why do we nee a vst that looks like a hardware virus ?
But , the sound , god damn ..on par with cytomic and u-he
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KVRian
537 posts since 10 Nov, 2005 from New York City

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:10 pm

Tried the demo - agree with some other feedback here. The patch browser and mod matrix are a bit stuck in the past compared to other synths. Hard to know if some subtle modulations are really set up right without some sort of visual indicator (see Avenger for a great implementation).

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zvenx
KVRAF
6935 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:17 pm

ZeePok wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:09 pm
Richard! could you please tell us if DUNE 1 (& 2) indeed have been pulled and why?

I know this was addressed to another Richard.
I can't tell you why, I can only speculate why. D3 has replaced D1 and D2.. Similarly like how NI no longer sells Kontakt 5 or FM7 or Steinberg selling Cubase 9 etc.
But as I am sure you know, D1 and D2 are no longer available for purchase.
But for those like me who have bought D1 and D2 licenses.. it is still available from your account.
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Dasheesh
KVRAF
3015 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:41 pm

well, its coming home with me, and I give a hoot all about drag and drop. I do want a parameter lock though. One that lets me set audio quality so I don't need to tab over to the quality setting every time I load a new patch... ugh!

Proken
KVRist
31 posts since 1 Nov, 2018

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:20 pm

wagtunes wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:48 pm
Proken wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:11 pm
So.... someone actually tested this And how is your experience?
Similar enough to Dune 2 that the learning curve is minimal.

Different enough that you can make sounds with this you literally couldn't make with Dune 2.

Biggest differences, IMO

Wavetable Editor
Additional ARP and functionality

Even without the new filters and FX, the above alone greatly expands the capabilities of the synth.

In addition to that, I think the overall sound quality has improved. Dune 2 had a more "plastic" almost Tone 2 kind of sound to it though not quite as pronounced. Dune 3 appears more neutral.

Also, so far anyway, it appears to be rock solid. I have yet to run into any bugs and I'm running it on a DAW version that isn't even supported anymore so I doubt they even tested for it.

All in all, I'm impressed and pleased.

Is it what I would call a "true" 3.0 as 2 was to 1? No. But it gives me enough in addition that, for me anyway, the upgrade price is acceptable. Please note I said "acceptable" and not "Holy cow, what a great deal" because it's not. Not considering updates made for other synths that were free or for a lot less money.

Still, I'm content. There's enough here that I never have to open Dune 2 ever again, which was, at the time, my favorite synth.

Dune 3 only improves on it.

Enough for you? Don't know. Only you can make that decision.
Thx for your reaction. Im gonna demo this when i get Home, im loving the fact that they build a wavetable editor.

kmonkey
KVRAF
3965 posts since 17 Aug, 2004

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:07 pm

Jesus what a thread!

Richard this is amazing update thank you! You just remember this is KVR and it's well...KVR...likely a staggering 1.22% of your user base. Don't feed the trolls.

Love new GUI and wavetable editor. Hopefully you have something in the pipeline for year 2019 for RE (rack extension) fans !?!?

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KVRian
1403 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:01 pm

kmonkey wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:07 pm
Jesus what a thread!

Richard this is amazing update thank you! You just remember this is KVR and it's well...KVR...likely a staggering 1.22% of your user base. Don't feed the trolls.

Love new GUI and wavetable editor. Hopefully you have something in the pipeline for year 2019 for RE (rack extension) fans !?!?
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KVRAF
2691 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:03 pm

Richard, i have tried to play my soundbank on Dune v3 and i noticed that Triode Distortion sounds different, gives sort of lo-fi, grungy sound that eliminates the clarity.

recursive one
KVRAF
3847 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:54 pm

Ghost Dog wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:53 pm
Today I had a chance to thoroughly A/B D3 with D2 and, even though D3 does sounds a tiny bit better in some aspects, the difference in sound quality is pretty much non-existent (even though we're talking about pretty subtle nuances here, I guess I kinda underestimated D2's sound in my memory).

Again, not trying to knock D3 or anything, but no real improvement on sound quality in this latest version.
I think they must sound absolutely identical if you don't use the new features. D3 is preset-compatible with D2.

As far as the new features go, some impressions after the first day of testing.

- AM filters sound really very good, all of them. They are notably different to other Dune's filters. I'm somehow disappointed that they are only LP though, I hoped for some new BP filters. Dune has now massive selection of LPs but only two BPs which both sound a bit weak IMO.

- Formant and especially vowel filters sound awesome

- Digging the saturator, it seems to be very useful for giving some "final touches" to the patches that don't need obvious distortion. When used subtly it makes the sound a bit thicker and more agressive but without radically changing it. This may adress my concerns about Dune sounding "too soft". I'd prefer to have it as a separate effect in the FX lane though (maybe together with exciter) - what if I want to put it after an actual distortion? I can use the second FX lane but it's a bit clumsy.

- There are more FM parameters available in the modmatrix. This is awesome, one can now modulate them at audio rate (from another osc for example) and this gives a whole new dimension to FM :tu:

- The new reverb and delay modes do sound good but in a mix the internal reverb/delay will in most cases be disabled and replaced with send effects anyway, so I'm not sure what's the point of these. Probably SA could release them as separate effect.

- I'm a bit disappointed that there are no new distortions and no new phaser. I always thought these effects didn't sound overly impressive in Dune 2 and for some reason I hoped there would be some improvements/additions to these (or am I missing something?).

- The WT editor is cool, I'm not so much into WT creation but it's quite intuitive and fun to tweak. I had some crashes with it though (W7, Studio One 3). Again, i'm disappointed that there are no improvements in the WT browser (I mean the one which is used to select the WTs directly form the main GUI). It's just a long list of WTs and if you add new ones it becames longer and harder to navigate. I thought it could have the same structure as the preset browser, that is it could show the subfolders, like, e.g., the Serum WT browser does.

All in all, I definitely will upgrade at some point but frankly as for now I feel it's more like 30-40 USD upgrade, not 80 :? Maybe I'll wait for 3.something. I think AM bandpass filters would make me upgrade immediately :)
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Caine123
KVRAF
5518 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:51 am

my impressions are VERYY MIXED and it shows a BAD manner/direspect to the customers in my opinion:

- the wavetable editor is ok, nothing new or groundbreaking, we got that already enough times but nice to have it in Dune finally and it is not groundbreaking soundqualitywise in my opinion, so far, what i heard

- the new effects are nice but i expect not only new effects in A NEW VERSION!

- the sound shall be better? no bashing but i didnt analyze it and i couldnt hear much difference, if any at all, will test more. so again i got the impression from BS marketing

- the new filters arent WOW for me either, i mean AVENGER filters arent the best on the market but i expected from D2 to D3 more.

i needd to check more new additions if there are any to mention at all.....

no one can tell me these additions are worth to call it V3 and anything special, they are good to have and i expected some already earlier but not as FULLY main features for V3. the workflow was not bad in D2 but still feels clumsy compared to others. D2 was wow,but D3 is meh in progression + the upgrade pricce of $79 is ridiculous!
and i know that a presetpack of Avenger costs $60, so you got KEVIN SCHROEDER PRESETS in the price included as well lol@richards response to me.... but i can also come and rub omnisphere and other vsts to those responses and how much they gave and get updated features for free.

the biggest letdown is the NON improved workflow and overall lacking features.

sadly synapse audio doesnt seem to care to respond to those issues so far.

again i love DUNE2 and thats why im so disappointed by the manners of synapse audio to present such A WEAK new version and especially the p*ss poor upgrade price.


when people now defend D3 upgrade and bash iZotope (another p*ss poor upgrade company) then think about it.
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tony10000
KVRist
259 posts since 4 Aug, 2017

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:59 am

I am thinking if you don't like it or think it is worth the price, you can wait a few years for 3.5 or get something else. That said, many of us really like it and think it *is* worth the price. I believe in supporting developers who provide great products and Synapse is in my top 5. YMMV. Just my .02.

sacer
KVRist
465 posts since 8 Jan, 2012 from frankfurt, Germany

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:11 am

A converter from Dune1 presets into Dune3 would be realy cool feature.
Thank you very much for this update, I love the filters.

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Ghost Dog
KVRist
184 posts since 2 Jun, 2015 from Belgrade, Serbia

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:27 am

recursive one wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:54 pm
I think they must sound absolutely identical if you don't use the new features. D3 is preset-compatible with D2 ....
Like I said (even though I first made an error of comparing the actual sound of D3 to what I remember D2 sounding like), it does sound a tiny bit better in terms of VA oscillators (as for the WT oscillators, I was wrong; either there is no improvement or I just can't spot any difference) and the new filters are somewhat of an improvement over the older ones, so all of this would be a killer D2 ("2.8", or whatever you wanna call it) update and this is what I would be perfectly content with in DUNE 2.

But calling all of this a new version is kinda crappy.

I've already seen one or two used D2 licenses popping up over here for less than what the asking price for the D2>>D3 upgrade is and that (if it's still an option), for that kind of money, is something I can see myself doing.

I still like the perspective of having a synth that's 85% of what I'm looking for in terms of sound quality (even though it's only 60 percent, at best, of what I'm really looking for in a synth in terms of functionality), in a CPU efficient package.

Plus, those vintage saw and clean pulse wavetables I've created earlier this year have made things even better.

But regarding this newest version, SA won't have my business.

v1o
KVRian
1403 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:41 am

Dune 3 has been in development for a very long time I'm sure. Possibly more than a year? If I remember correctly they started after they finished The Legend. A huge amount of effort has gone into this and it is definitely worth every penny.

To be honest if you didn't like the workflow in D2 there is little point in expecting major changes. There are many paying customers who are fans of this workflow and would get riled up if things drastically changed too far. There's a reason why Dune 2 became a hit synth - people like the workflow.
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Caine123
KVRAF
5518 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:48 am

tony10000 wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:59 am
I am thinking if you don't like it or think it is worth the price, you can wait a few years for 3.5 or get something else. That said, many of us really like it and think it *is* worth the price. I believe in supporting developers who provide great products and Synapse is in my top 5. YMMV. Just my .02.
it is with everything, is it worth to get the new jeans, the new car etc. in the end these things are just products for consumers. but it is THE WAY, the treatment, the presentation, the weakness in features. nothing else.
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