DUNE 3 is now available!!

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chk071
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18531 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:34 am

AnX wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:12 am
every man and his dog seems happy to spout their crappy opinions
How dare they? :o

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Chris-S
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2619 posts since 10 Nov, 2013 from Germany

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:34 am

Patch "AR I miss you KS": So I can sell my DAW now. :D

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Ghost Dog
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184 posts since 2 Jun, 2015 from Belgrade, Serbia

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:37 am

recursive one wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:31 am
I don't think expressing some dissapointment can make anyone a whinning bitch, nor do feature requests. It's a paid upgrade (and quite pricey) after all and the competition is tough, so listening to what potenital customers are saying may be a good idea.
Nah, Richard is a nice guy; Anx is very smart (and he'll set everyone straight) and receiving, and responding to, reasonable, well argumented suggestions from people who've spent money on something you're selling is a waste of time. ;)

2ZrgE
KVRian
1180 posts since 30 Mar, 2011

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:44 am

A bit disappointed here, feels more like an extended update than a new version. Will stick to v2 I guess.

AnX
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3791 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:50 am

recursive one wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:31 am
AnX wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:22 am
recursive one wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:17 am

AnX wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:12 am
every man and his dog seems happy to spout their crappy opinions
These miserable assholes may happen to be Synapse customers or potential customers :shrug:
maybe, does that mean they should act like whining bitches cos they didnt get what they hoped for, or that their opinion is more valid than anyone else's?

no.
I don't think expressing some disappointment can make anyone a whinning bitch, nor do feature requests. It's a paid upgrade (and quite pricey) after all and the competition is tough, so listening to what potential customers are saying may be a good idea.
all 3 of them?

listen, Rich does listen, but if the requests dont fit in with the direction he is taking a product, he wont implement it. Thats his right.

ive got a massive list of stuff for several of his products that got no love, and i moaned like a bitch, got me nowhere.

in the end, Dune 3 is either something you want, or not.

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Teksonik
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12045 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:53 am

Good morning ladies are we still at it ? :lol:

Hey you guys get in the back of the line. I've made feature requests that weren't added to Dune 3 so you'll have to wait to get yours implemented in Dune 4. :P

I'm sure the feature request list is a mile long so all you can do is make your request and hope for the best. That goes for any software not just Dune 3.

But getting all butt hurt because your feature request wasn't implemented is pointless. :wink:
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Touch The Universe
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3539 posts since 2 Oct, 2008

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:56 am

v1o wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:41 am

To be honest if you didn't like the workflow in D2 there is little point in expecting major changes. There are many paying customers who are fans of this workflow and would get riled up if things drastically changed too far. There's a reason why Dune 2 became a hit synth - people like the workflow.
Your kidding right? :dog: Of all the popular synths out there that sound really good, why is dune 2 the only one which has very few soundsets for it? I've heard people complain over a dozen times that d2 doesn't have enough presets. I think its fair to say, to a degree, its clunky workflow impedes some sound designers.
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Vortifex
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1114 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:58 am

Yeah, I sold Dune 2 because of the workflow. I just didn't enjoy programming it at all.

AnX
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3791 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:00 am

Touch The Universe wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:56 am
v1o wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:41 am

To be honest if you didn't like the workflow in D2 there is little point in expecting major changes. There are many paying customers who are fans of this workflow and would get riled up if things drastically changed too far. There's a reason why Dune 2 became a hit synth - people like the workflow.
Your kidding right? :dog: Of all the popular synths out there that sound really good, why is dune 2 the only one which has very few soundsets for it? I've heard people complain over a dozen times that d2 doesn't have enough presets. I think its fair to say, to a degree, its clunky workflow impedes some sound designers.

... but not others

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Stan Navi
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176 posts since 27 Nov, 2014

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:04 am

I also like sound of Dune, but workflow for me is not intuitive.

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Ghost Dog
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184 posts since 2 Jun, 2015 from Belgrade, Serbia

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:06 am

AnX wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:50 am
....

ive got a massive list of stuff for several of his products that got no love, and i moaned like a bitch, got me nowhere.

.....
Ok, now you say you, yourself, moaned like a bitch?! What gives?

Maybe you were just spewing random crap and that kind of behaviour may fit your terminology.

Otherwise, you were making proper suggestions, not "moaning". That's the only way I see it.

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Vortifex
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1114 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:09 am

AnX wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:00 am
... but not others
As was evident in his use of the word "some" :party:

gentleclockdivider
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1404 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:10 am

Some interesting observations
I created two identical patches on dune 2 and three , no effects , no modulation and no osc. spread .both had the square osc+ the OB 12 filter
In the mod matrix I assigned the constant to osc phase init , so that both would start at the exact same time
Recorded dune 2 left , recorded dune 3 right
Inverted right channel ,they didn't cancel each other out .

Upon closer inspection on the waveform , it seems that dune 2 was two samples delayed ..all the rest looked the same
So I alligned them perfectly , again same procedure . no silencing after phase inverting and collapsing
They did both sound identical , so something has changed ..but I gues it's minor
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Stefken
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836 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

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Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:12 am

Stefken wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:06 am
AdvancedFollower wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:26 am
tony10000 wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:59 am
v1o wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:41 am
Dune 3 has been in development for a very long time I'm sure. Possibly more than a year? If I remember correctly they started after they finished The Legend. A huge amount of effort has gone into this and it is definitely worth every penny.

To be honest if you didn't like the workflow in D2 there is little point in expecting major changes. There are many paying customers who are fans of this workflow and would get riled up if things drastically changed too far. There's a reason why Dune 2 became a hit synth - people like the workflow.
Yep, why mess with success?
Yeah, it's tricky. If you mess too much with the workflow, some of the old fans get upset and refuse to upgrade. If you don't change it, people will complain that there aren't enough changes to justify the upgrade. You could try to keep the old workflow while implementing something new on top, but this might make the plugin a cluttered mess...

Updates will always be incremental by their nature. If you want something completely different, buy a completely different plug-in...
Yes and no. A modern preset browser with tagging and favorites will never upset old fans.
This whining bitch remembers that e.g. U-he made a very big deal about their reworking of the browser.

Sorry, a modern browser is pretty much a standard now. I'm certainly not upset about it. It's hardly that important. But off course I may decide to pass on the update and see what future revisions bring.

I just said that not reworking the browser because it would upset existing users is a false argument.
It is how Photoshop stayed with the same crappy ui (valid argument) but this does not translate to the browser of Dune.
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pepelogu
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393 posts since 5 Jan, 2004 from In the now

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:19 am

I really like everything about Dune3. The gui is much nicer than D2. The sound is quite stunningly good. Only negative is the steep upgrade price.
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