Pigments vs Serum
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- KVRist
- 148 posts since 4 Apr, 2017
Pigments is like serum on steroids
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- KVRAF
- 11175 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Its simply a case of standing on the shoulders of giants. A new instrument should really be better than a similar instrument code 4-5 years ago....especially when you can copy the things that work and redesign the things that didn't work as well.
Serum has been one of my top 5 for a long time and it has had continuous tweaks and development, its a great synth and I have more than had my moneys worth, but if I could only have one of them now it would be Pigments. Luckily I can have both and have no intention of letting go of Serum
It will be interesting to see what Massive X brings to the party (wasn't it supposed to be out January?)
Serum has been one of my top 5 for a long time and it has had continuous tweaks and development, its a great synth and I have more than had my moneys worth, but if I could only have one of them now it would be Pigments. Luckily I can have both and have no intention of letting go of Serum
It will be interesting to see what Massive X brings to the party (wasn't it supposed to be out January?)
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- KVRAF
- 14991 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
Serum 3 is in beta and supports MPE. That would at least make me demoing it...
- KVRAF
- 13221 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
Serum 3?Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:52 pm Serum 3 is in beta and supports MPE. That would at least make me demoing it...
Current beta is:
1.225a1
But indeed they are working on MPE support.
rsp
sound sculptist
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- KVRAF
- 11175 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
MPE support is in the latest beta, has an MPE mode in the menu and even a mode to map the 4 macros to MPE.
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- KVRAF
- 2008 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo
Pigments' wavetable interpolation is not as good as Serum's. If you want to compare, try Urs Heckman's example wavetable in the Hive wavetable post.
Edit: Link to relevant post: viewtopic.php?p=7252493#p7252493
Edit: Link to relevant post: viewtopic.php?p=7252493#p7252493
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- KVRAF
- 6578 posts since 14 Nov, 2006 from Ankara, Turkey
Does Serum interpolate between adjacent waves in the wavetable? AFAIK, it doesn't. It creates morph table of size 256 instead.
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- KVRist
- 235 posts since 11 Oct, 2012
I liked Pigments when demoing but I couldn't find options to generate or modify wavetables, might have missed it I guess. No MPE is also not good imho, but I guess many still don't use it. Also, I like the high amount of similar drawable modulators in other synths such as Avenger or Serum better, but the modulation options in Pigments seem interesting, especially the function and combinate stuff.
But especially the four parallel options for wavetable morphing including wavefolding, PD and so on are really nice (only Avenger has even more options for wavetable morphing/modulation on the oscillator level afaik) - for me, this is the one aspect apart from maybe usability in which Pigments clearly is better than Serum, since Serum has many options in this regard, but not allowing for parallel use.
But especially the four parallel options for wavetable morphing including wavefolding, PD and so on are really nice (only Avenger has even more options for wavetable morphing/modulation on the oscillator level afaik) - for me, this is the one aspect apart from maybe usability in which Pigments clearly is better than Serum, since Serum has many options in this regard, but not allowing for parallel use.
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- KVRAF
- 11175 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
I have loaded the same wavetables in both and can hear absolutely no difference at all, I would be amazed if anyone can hear any difference.yellowmix wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:30 am Pigments' wavetable interpolation is not as good as Serum's. If you want to compare, try Urs Heckman's example wavetable in the Hive wavetable post.
Edit: Link to relevant post: viewtopic.php?p=7252493#p7252493
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- KVRist
- 80 posts since 28 Oct, 2018
Having familiarised myself with pigments, there are few things that were a downer.
- the glide function is hardwired to ‘Time’ with no option to change to ‘Rate’ like many synths. Rate makes glides noticeable ONLY when playing wider gaps between notes which sounds more elegant. I almost only use Rate.
- Suprisingly high CPU with the lackluster supersaw pads, it was significantly lower in hive.
Great workflow and incredible SEQ though, it proves really, no synth is perfect.
- the glide function is hardwired to ‘Time’ with no option to change to ‘Rate’ like many synths. Rate makes glides noticeable ONLY when playing wider gaps between notes which sounds more elegant. I almost only use Rate.
- Suprisingly high CPU with the lackluster supersaw pads, it was significantly lower in hive.
Great workflow and incredible SEQ though, it proves really, no synth is perfect.