I fell in love with the V Collection

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bill45
KVRAF
2271 posts since 15 Jun, 2006

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:33 am

Hemmick Reef wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:25 am
bill45 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:16 am
Listening to the Drvine signature for DX7 V.
I upgraded for DX7v primarily.Got the pigments Deal.
What is the best way to install the upgrade?
The arturia software center says V6 has 21 instruments.
I have a bunch already installed.
Thanks
Your purchased instruments should show in the centre... then if you buy the V Collection it will just add the synths that you do not own.
But in your account on the Arturia site, your previous synths will show the single licences that you have already purchased as well as the V Collection Licence. You can sell your old individual licences once you have the V-Collection, but you obviously cannot sell individual synths from the collection.
Thanks, So it will just add the ones I do not have.
Will it update the one I already have ? A few need updating.

bill45
KVRAF
2271 posts since 15 Jun, 2006

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:35 am

Hemmick Reef wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:13 am
I have the V Collection, enough to keep any soft synth head engaged for a long long time. So many to get to know and being classic synths, most that I will never even see, makes it even more of a joy!

The resizable GUI's make the experience so good. Integration - synths together in the same software package, easy updating with one company and what have they got lined up for the future?.... always looking forward to that.

This is what convinced me with how close they are to the original synths - after hearing the likes of the Tangerine Dream, Vangelis, Depeche Mode, etc. sounds:

https://www.arturia.com/products/analog ... ion/sounds

Soundwise it's all there, just dig in and experiment.
An easy way too find the sound banks is to open Anolog lab.

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fmr
KVRAF
8432 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:47 am

bill45 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:33 am
Thanks, So it will just add the ones I do not have.
Will it update the one I already have ? A few need updating.
Yes.
Fernando (FMR)

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Hemmick Reef
KVRian
1415 posts since 10 Jan, 2005 from UK

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:51 am

bill45 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:33 am
Hemmick Reef wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:25 am
bill45 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:16 am
Listening to the Drvine signature for DX7 V.
I upgraded for DX7v primarily.Got the pigments Deal.
What is the best way to install the upgrade?
The arturia software center says V6 has 21 instruments.
I have a bunch already installed.
Thanks
Your purchased instruments should show in the centre... then if you buy the V Collection it will just add the synths that you do not own.
But in your account on the Arturia site, your previous synths will show the single licences that you have already purchased as well as the V Collection Licence. You can sell your old individual licences once you have the V-Collection, but you obviously cannot sell individual synths from the collection.
Thanks, So it will just add the ones I do not have.
Will it update the one I already have ? A few need updating.
Just install the Arturia Software Center and check for updates, you will need to login through the centre though.

jdoo
KVRist
439 posts since 23 Dec, 2011

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:03 pm

"Just install the Arturia Software Center and check for updates, you will need to login through the centre though."

This. Plus, it will tell you (if you have upgraded) whether or not your older copies are NFR.

SmartCat
KVRist
64 posts since 24 May, 2017

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:09 pm

Chandran wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:14 am
SmartCat wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:28 am
Stefken wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:20 am
Tip: They typically need a bit more oumph compared to other vsts. Inserting one or more saturators after the instrument will take care of that.
:tu:
Thanks Stefken, I´ll try that!
Do you recommend a tape plugin for the saturation?
Instead turn the knobs and sculpt your sound, before inserting saturators on every track! most of time saturators harm more than help, Use tape saturators if you need to tame higs, beware adding saturation on every synth can sound total mess! you kill the spacing needed for using more than one synt and then you have to equalise each sound to recreate that space because adding saturation is adding harmonics...Result at the end your mix sound thin distorded and flat. You dont need to eq, compress and saturate every tracks but using this tools only when it's necessary! the collection V sound great and for shure sound great without saturators! most of time hobbyist are squashing sounds with saturation, bad compression curves, heavy clipping limiting, they cant event ear the artifacts because they are mixing whit cheap or bad monitoring and when they start to ear there is already way to much, some of them even don't knows how high resolution files sound and are looking for mp3 128kbps sound,in my career I meat crazy producers on my studio some of them with DAW projects full of mp3 at different resolutions, Of course I refused to work whit them!
Learn to A/B with rms matched volume to compare with the saturation added and without being fooled by volume difference between the two? tools like mCompare help's this process and you can also blind test. If I have to give 3 tip's is:
1: the choice of instrumentation (how the different instruments share the spectral balance space) and the quality of composition arrangement is the key for 80% of the sound...Remember great composers don't need to eq compress their orchestra!
2: when you are satisfied with the first step carefully analyse with your ears (and spectral analyzer) where the sound as to be corrected, Listen to great sounding records you like and try to see how your mix compare, take a breath 5min then try to understand what kind of processing going thru the reference mix. 3: Check for tuts about mixing, eqing, compressing...In the web, better to look at commercial tuts, they are so many wankers doing tuts who are def, unexperienced and some are mythomaniacs...That said is not real for most free stuff but it can save you from mistakes at the begging.
Hope it helps!
Thank you sir!
Really great tips here :tu:

SmartCat
KVRist
64 posts since 24 May, 2017

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:25 pm

Hemmick Reef wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:13 am
I have the V Collection, enough to keep any soft synth head engaged for a long long time. So many to get to know and being classic synths, most that I will never even see, makes it even more of a joy!

The resizable GUI's make the experience so good. Integration - synths together in the same software package, easy updating with one company and what have they got lined up for the future?.... always looking forward to that.

This is what convinced me with how close they are to the original synths - after hearing the likes of the Tangerine Dream, Vangelis, Depeche Mode, etc. sounds:

https://www.arturia.com/products/analog ... ion/sounds

Soundwise it's all there, just dig in and experiment.
Yeah, the sheer number of sounds is really unique and what is more important, most of them are of very high quality. I never use a preset or patch as it was programmed but as a starting point they are great. And while browsing through the presets of the Analog Lab, my head starts sketching the next songs..

SmartCat
KVRist
64 posts since 24 May, 2017

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:01 am

Does Arturia release new instruments frequently? Or do they have an upgrade plan on a yearly basis for the V Collection?

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fmr
KVRAF
8432 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:44 am

SmartCat wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:01 am
Does Arturia release new instruments frequently? Or do they have an upgrade plan on a yearly basis for the V Collection?
Lately, they have launched new versions of V Collection, with three or four instruments added. But Pigments was launched outside of V Collection, as well as the filters bundles and preamps bundle.
Fernando (FMR)

bill45
KVRAF
2271 posts since 15 Jun, 2006

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:43 pm

That past to future free bank is pretty cool.

jdoo
KVRist
439 posts since 23 Dec, 2011

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:42 pm

bill45 wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:43 pm
That past to future free bank is pretty cool.
+1

Lots of really usable classic tones!

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KVRist
218 posts since 8 May, 2018 from Sweden

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:08 am

fmr wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:44 am
SmartCat wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:01 am
Does Arturia release new instruments frequently? Or do they have an upgrade plan on a yearly basis for the V Collection?
Lately, they have launched new versions of V Collection, with three or four instruments added. But Pigments was launched outside of V Collection, as well as the filters bundles and preamps bundle.
I think the idea is that V Collection should only contain emulations of vintage synths and keyboards, which is why Pigments and the effects were released outside of the bundle. V Collection 6 came out in late 2017, version 5 in May 2016 so if they keep this schedule, there should be a paid update this summer... On the other hand, Pigments just came out, so they might have been focusing on only that. Also, V Collection 6.2 recently came out as a free update, which added lots of features to the Synclavier V.

My wish for V Collection 7 would be that rather than adding even more instruments, they'd go back to the oldest emulations like the JP-8, CS-80, Prophet etc. and update them.

SmartCat
KVRist
64 posts since 24 May, 2017

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:16 am

AdvancedFollower wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:08 am
fmr wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:44 am
SmartCat wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:01 am
Does Arturia release new instruments frequently? Or do they have an upgrade plan on a yearly basis for the V Collection?
Lately, they have launched new versions of V Collection, with three or four instruments added. But Pigments was launched outside of V Collection, as well as the filters bundles and preamps bundle.
I think the idea is that V Collection should only contain emulations of vintage synths and keyboards, which is why Pigments and the effects were released outside of the bundle. V Collection 6 came out in late 2017, version 5 in May 2016 so if they keep this schedule, there should be a paid update this summer... On the other hand, Pigments just came out, so they might have been focusing on only that. Also, V Collection 6.2 recently came out as a free update, which added lots of features to the Synclavier V.

My wish for V Collection 7 would be that rather than adding even more instruments, they'd go back to the oldest emulations like the JP-8, CS-80, Prophet etc. and update them.
Thank you so much for the details!
After spending some hours with DX 7 and Prophet V, I´ve not even scratched the surface of this beast. The reason why I aked if there is an update plan for the V Collection and frequent updates is that I´m now considering to sell a few of my other synths and sample based piano instruments, and investing solely in Arturia. Even better If they also have a wavetable based synth.

Stefken
KVRian
842 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:49 am

SmartCat wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:16 am
, and investing solely in Arturia. Even better If they also have a wavetable based synth.
Well I must say that Arturia has a great loyalty program! I got '3 preamps you'll actually use' for 70 euro instead of the regular 300 euro. And it's a great piece of software. Same with Pigments.

Until now if you skipped one version of the Collection than you have yourself a great upgrade path. (Don't know what the next collection will bring).
And the upgrade of Analog lab was free which is great for people who only have that, as they got the new instruments for free.

The quality of their software is only improving.
So it's a good investment.

Negatives? Their sound lacks some bottom end for me and there are companies that have more characterfull filters and more analog oriented sound. (So I didn't go for their filterpack). So they sound somewhat more 'flat/neutral' but you can fix that in your mix/processing.

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telecode
KVRist
126 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada

Re: I fell in love with the V Collection

Post Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:57 am

Hemmick Reef wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:13 am
I have the V Collection, enough to keep any soft synth head engaged for a long long time. So many to get to know and being classic synths, most that I will never even see, makes it even more of a joy!

The resizable GUI's make the experience so good. Integration - synths together in the same software package, easy updating with one company and what have they got lined up for the future?.... always looking forward to that.

This is what convinced me with how close they are to the original synths - after hearing the likes of the Tangerine Dream, Vangelis, Depeche Mode, etc. sounds:

https://www.arturia.com/products/analog ... ion/sounds

Soundwise it's all there, just dig in and experiment.
There was an interesting interview with Pete Townsend a while back on EM. He uses Arturia CS-80 and he stated the emulator is actually better sounding than the actual instrument he owned and used in the 70s. The downside with the emulators is they sound great but they lack the human interface because they are soft synths, which means you as the end user are responsible for creating the human interface with whatever hardware device you decide to get. The experience of using them is very different on a cheap $100 midi controller vs a $500 midi controller.
Just a keep on a goin' a forward, without a single ounce of fear
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