Sample Manipulation VST

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Post Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:12 pm

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Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:25 pm

+1 for Falcon.
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deastman
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7310 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:43 pm

For additive resynthesis, don’t forget Arturia’s Synclavier plugin!
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fedexnman
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2615 posts since 4 Jan, 2005

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:56 pm

Renoise and/or Redux
Tal Sampler
Biotek 2
Alchemy

Kinh
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1278 posts since 26 Aug, 2012

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:22 pm

alex921 wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:45 am
Kinh wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:06 am
What do you mean manipulate samples? in what way?
ping pong looping, blending samples together/layering, LFO's etc. For example Geist 2 does this very well, but I hate combining it with my main daw as I have to export stems, which kills my workflow.
Ableton sampler/drum & instrument rack combine to do a lot, if not all of that. Even though I own Falcon, I find myself working from Ableton's rack and sampler instead. It's much quicker and easier, especially working with slices. I find it's the same story with Kontakt too.
I doubt anyone will suggest any 'individual' sampler that'll rival Ableton.
There's Egoist which can do what Geist can.
Omnisphere is good for manipulating samples for interesting drones and shit.

but Id be interested if anyone else knows of a manipulating sampler that has the ease of Ableton. Personally, I dont see how one could exist. What problems are you running into with Ableton and why do you think you need something else?

alex921
KVRer
29 posts since 22 Nov, 2016

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:06 pm

Kinh wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:22 pm
alex921 wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:45 am
Kinh wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:06 am
What do you mean manipulate samples? in what way?
ping pong looping, blending samples together/layering, LFO's etc. For example Geist 2 does this very well, but I hate combining it with my main daw as I have to export stems, which kills my workflow.
Ableton sampler/drum & instrument rack combine to do a lot, if not all of that. Even though I own Falcon, I find myself working from Ableton's rack and sampler instead. It's much quicker and easier, especially working with slices. I find it's the same story with Kontakt too.
I doubt anyone will suggest any 'individual' sampler that'll rival Ableton.
There's Egoist which can do what Geist can.
Omnisphere is good for manipulating samples for interesting drones and shit.

but Id be interested if anyone else knows of a manipulating sampler that has the ease of Ableton. Personally, I dont see how one could exist. What problems are you running into with Ableton and why do you think you need something else?
Ping pong looping is a bit limited, especially for slicing a break, this occurs mostly with hihats. Renoise deals thiis with his at another level as you able to expand the loop region so it doesn't click when transponsing up or down. Also I dont really like the warping features. Also i miss polyphony within Sampler, for example when i play 16th notes within rapid succesion, the sampler goes back to it's starting point and thus doesn't play the whole sample. This is obvious offcourse, cause I send 16th notes to the Sample, but if i'd compare it with Bitwigs sampler its very cool sounding how it deals with polyphony.

noddog
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68 posts since 4 Mar, 2015

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:20 pm

NI Form

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pdxindy
KVRAF
16285 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:55 pm

Yeah... NI Form is pretty interesting.

These days I am mainly using Bitwig's Sampler. Very fast and powerful.

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TrojakEW
KVRist
327 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Slovakia

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:47 pm

NI Form have some weak points and bugs same as other instruments but overall it is very capable synth with very nice and logical interface. Every parameter can be modulated that means you can modulate modulated parameter. But those slider for modulation should be bigger, they are too small compared to rest of UI. You can create multiple presets inside one instance and keyswitch between them or use them as layers. It is really rare to find synth that you start and you can make you own preset right away without spending too much time learning the synth. One of the best for me regarding sample manipulation with ease.

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discoDSP
KVRAF
4466 posts since 18 Jul, 2002

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:00 pm


Neon Breath
KVRAF
3533 posts since 15 Sep, 2010

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:05 am

TrojakEW wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:47 pm
NI Form have some weak points and bugs same as other instruments but overall it is very capable synth with very nice and logical interface...
Its weakest point being to force the users to install the Reaktor or the Reaktor Player to be able to run it... Even if you don't need the Player for any other thing beside that :roll:

Form would probably be in my toolbox if it was a normal plugin you can use just like any other normal plugin, but because of that it's disqualified.
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alex921
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29 posts since 22 Nov, 2016

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:00 pm

I'd like to mention what I'm exactly looking for:

https://youtu.be/8xFyetVK01M?t=17 (song throughout)

The sample is stolen from this track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1GaeoNpqvs (Intro)

Don't mind the examples if it's not your thing. Back to my question, it seems they sped up the sample, but I think they applied other effects to, because the bells and whistles are missing. Is this just EQ'ing?


And on a side note: the effects from U-HE sound cool, I bet they can get transform samples in a nice way as wel. Does anyone know such other effects which sound good for making unique samples?

Dillinger
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273 posts since 2 Apr, 2016

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:00 pm

Melodyne
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alex921
KVRer
29 posts since 22 Nov, 2016

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:59 pm

Dillinger wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:00 pm
Melodyne
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That's not very creative.

Neon Breath
KVRAF
3533 posts since 15 Sep, 2010

Re: Sample Manipulation VST

Post Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:10 pm

alex921 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:59 pm
Dillinger wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:00 pm
Melodyne
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That's not very creative.
You are the one who should be creative, not the tools.
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