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[dermage]

As mentioned above... Use draft mode, for when "drafting" your parts. I love Diva and wished I had picked it up sooner than I had. You can always change it back when rendering tracks out before mixing.

Cool, thanks for the advice (you too, Teleman). I installed the Diva demo and it seems they are around the same most of the time, although Diva has a lot more variation between patches. What scares me is that the default patch, the INIT preset, runs at 42% by default. That's dumb because it is bound to put people off. Changing from "great" to "fast" drops it to 24% with a barely noticeable change in the sound. Draft halves that again but the difference is very audible. What has the biggest effect is reducing polyphony (a trick I learned many years ago with DUNE). Dropping it to 2 with the INIT patch gets it down to a fairly respectable 10%. It's still more than twice as much as DUNE uses but it is manageable. So now it's off to the sperm bank to get some more money for Diva. (At least internet porn on smartphones makes it quicker and easier to make a deposit.)

Did you also switch the Multicore on?
Because that should also drastically reduce the polyphony CPU usage.

[Stefken]

I've bought Diva now. I could not resist at this one time only price point. But boy it's a cpu hog unlike I've seen before. A lot more than repro.
I don't consider it an emulation but more of minglebox of 'inspired components' you can use to create an inspired sound or create something new. I'd like they up the emulation quality to the likes of repro but apparently this is not going to happen.

Not fond of the UI so I replace it with the plugmon skin which I like a lot better.

[vurt]

So now it's off to the sperm bank to get some more money for Diva. (At least internet porn on smartphones makes it quicker and easier to make a deposit.)

all those little bones running around just so novakill can make noises
this is what they warned us about!

[chk071]

I've bought Diva now. I could not resist at this one time only price point. But boy it's a cpu hog unlike I've seen before. A lot more than repro.

Try the multicore option in the upper bar of the GUI. Also, the Moog ladder filter is about the most CPU intensive of the whole plugin. Switching to other filters will reduce the CPU load, at least that's how it is for me. Also, obviously, there's the accuracy setting as well. I was a bit surprised though how small the impact is. Unless i'm doing something wrong.

Considering all that, Diva isn't the most CPU intensive here, that "honour" stil belongs to NI Monark. I find that Diva sounds similarly good, but, without that extreme CPU foot print. Interestingly, the envelopes work differently to Monark's. Can't even exactly figure out what it is exactly. Seems like the release/decay slope is different, or so.

[telecode]

I've bought Diva now. I could not resist at this one time only price point. But boy it's a cpu hog unlike I've seen before. A lot more than repro.

Try the multicore option in the upper bar of the GUI. Also, the Moog ladder filter is about the most CPU intensive of the whole plugin. Switching to other filters will reduce the CPU load, at least that's how it is for me. Also, obviously, there's the accuracy setting as well. I was a bit surprised though how small the impact is. Unless i'm doing something wrong.

Considering all that, Diva isn't the most CPU intensive here, that "honour" stil belongs to NI Monark. I find that Diva sounds similarly good, but, without that extreme CPU foot print. Interestingly, the envelopes work differently to Monark's. Can't even exactly figure out what it is exactly. Seems like the release/decay slope is different, or so.

Really? I use Monark a lot. I never paid close attention enough. I will keep an eye on it next time.

[elxsound]

I absolutely don't have the money to get the whole bundle but I demoed them all anyway
Before demoing I was most interested in Repro, Satin, and Twangstrom. After demoing I'm a little underwhelmed by Twangstrom (I haven't tried it on enough sources yet though), but I am surprised by how much I like Colour Copy. I really don't need anymore delays but this thing is special. Satin is amazing as expected. The first tape sim that I've used that sounds good when you drive it hard. All the others I've tried sound like bass heavy mush, but this has a really nice useful distortion. Presswork sounds great but I don't think I need it (but I would sure as hell use it if I had it).
Repro is an absolute must have. It obviously sounds amazing but it also seems to compliment everything very well. Not many synths have that quality.
Diva is astounding but I don't know if I need it. I think it might overwhelm me, although if I managed to keep it simple it could be extremely useful (it almost feels like cheating, I don't know how to describe it).
Overall, these are some of the most outstanding plugins out there (as most of you already know).
If you have the money, you'd have to be drunk to miss out on this.
As for me, I'm debating whether I should just get Repro or if I need to sell a kidney and get them all.

@Local Man - Twangstrom is amazing for what it is. If you are looking for a spring reverb, then this is it. Look no further unless you want to look at UA plugins and/or mess with IRs. They hit this one out the park, but Spring Reverb is not a universal sound... it is an extremely specific one, similar to what Color Copy is, but just far more obvious as a specialty effect.

Hoping you don't have to rob anyone, especially not Rob from u-he.

I prefer PSP SpringBox myself.

Pff... you would.

Actually I keep forgetting to try PSP’s!

[EvilDragon]

Also reduce max polyphony on Diva if the patch doesn't need it...

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I remember Urs saying that quality-wise, RePro begins where Diva ends. No idea how that translates in terms of CPU efficiency, but my experience is that RePro-5 uses more CPU than Diva at similar settings.

That said, it's totally possible that some DIVA patches will eat more CPU than RePro patches depending on the settings. Some things to consider when it comes to CPU usage in Diva:

1. Multi-core. If you're not maxing out a single core, and using one of the U-he synths in a project, you may want to keep this off and leave the core distribution up to your DAW. But if that 8 voice pad is crushing your CPU, you'll want to turn this on.

2. Diva Quality Settings. I find "Great" works for most things with "Divine" on render. But "Fast" and "Draft" modes can sound great on most patches too. If you're realtime CPU use is too high, consider one of the lower Accuracy options with the "highest" offline setting.

3. Voices/Polyphony. RePro-5 maxes out at 8 voices but Diva has 12 and 16 voice options.

4. Stack. I can get Diva to crush my CPU if I use a 4 voice stack with the polyphony set to 16 and start playing some 4 note stabs. So if a preset is killing CPU, that may be another place to look to understand why.

[V0RT3X]

Or you could just play your parts in and use your DAWs freeze function.

[Urs]

I remember Urs saying that quality-wise, RePro begins where Diva ends. No idea how that translates in terms of CPU efficiency, but my experience is that RePro-5 uses more CPU than Diva at similar settings.

Repro with HQ off (!) equals Diva's Divine mode and typically uses less CPU than Diva. However, that's owed to how the filter works. Doug Curtis made short cuts which coincidentally make the circuits easier to compute than, say, a Moog Ladder.

[EnGee]

I remember Urs saying that quality-wise, RePro begins where Diva ends. No idea how that translates in terms of CPU efficiency, but my experience is that RePro-5 uses more CPU than Diva at similar settings.

Repro with HQ off (!) equals Diva's Divine mode and typically uses less CPU than Diva. However, that's owed to how the filter works. Doug Curtis made short cuts which coincidentally make the circuits easier to compute than, say, a Moog Ladder.

I didn't know that!

I will be getting it tonight then and maybe taking off from the internet for one month if I can't manage my bill

[Fleer]

“Urs saying that quality-wise, RePro begins where Diva ends”?

[BONES]

@BONES.. I would say, keep tinkering with the demo and see how you like and and it fits with what you like to make.

More good advice because the more I listen to the presets, the more I wonder if it has much to offer or if I am just amazed by the sound quality. So far I haven't heard anything that I think we could actually use, it's all very retro and unexciting. That could change when I see what I can make out of it myself but it's not the slam-dunk I thought it was yesterday and I've got a week to decide.

Considering all that, Diva isn't the most CPU intensive here, that "honour" stil belongs to NI Monark.

I have Monark but I don't use it, for reasons most of you should be aware of by now, but the worst CPU hog I have is Korg's ARP Odyssey VSTi. It can be absolutely deadly and the only way to control it is with the way you design your patches. But it sounds so good I can put up with it. With a few of the tweaks recommended here, Diva isn't too bad and RePro is mostly manageable, too.

Actually I keep forgetting to try PSP’s!

I got screwed by PSP, I will never buy anything of theirs again. They can go and get f**ked as far as I'm concerned.

[glokraw]

I just got RePro...
...but as it's an NI exclusive and running for such a short time, I don't think you should be reading anything into it.

Considering proximity, the odds against powerbrokers from both
NI and U-he both being drunk in the same bar at the same time,
and seated within earshot, were never staggering. Win, win, win big.
You'll love teaming up Repro and UNO.
Cheers

[BONES]

It's unlikely that will happen, I don't actually use my hardware with my software. Hardware is for playing with, software is for getting things done. Although I have the bud of an idea for making it easier to use more hardware on stage, so it may change.