SONICALLY Best VST Synth

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PieBerger
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583 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:21 am

Whatever I'm GASing hard for at the time, so I can justify buying it of course :lol:
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audiot
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478 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Germany

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:05 am

fmr wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:32 am
audiot wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:30 am
I think there is no "sonically best" synth.
I totally agree. This is a typical "silly season" thread :roll:
... silly season :hihi: Never heard that before :hihi:

audiot
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478 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Germany

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:06 am

chk071 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:57 am
audiot wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:30 am
I think there is no "sonically best" synth.
Of course there is. The one which sounds best to me. :ud:
Yes but no. If you would ask Stephan Bodzin for his favorite synth, what should he answer? He just has a Sub37. But the thread title sounds more like "generally" best and not "personally" best. There are to many sonic territories and flavors to be covered by one synth. Even good alrounders like Zebra have their limits.

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foosnark
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5297 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:25 am

What is the best shade of blue? Putting aside any sort of context -- like the background or surrounding colors, the lighting, or what the object even is (could be the sky, a laser, a human face, a piece of bread, a stop sign, etc.)

Just which blue is subjectively best?

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Zipede
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59 posts since 7 Feb, 2017

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:30 am

NeoKortex88 wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:07 am
Hey,

i know there are many Synth vs. Synth and whos better type of threads. However if you ONLY hear for the pur capability/sound of a Synths Oscillator/Sound Quality without looking at features what would the top ten look like?
"MSoundFactory,..... the best sounding oscillators on the market...."

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ariston
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3686 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:40 am

Sonically... going off on a little tangent here. There are quite a few tricks that are designed to make you sit up and go wow. Some of these are really annoying in synths. For example, louder is better, right? That's why a lot of factory presets are way too loud and clip when you play them out of the box. Second, nothing makes a sound better than a bit of chorus and delay/reverb. So go ahead and drench that saw. Third, there are certain frequencies that grab our attention quickly, mainly because we're so attuned to the human voice. If you have a sound that emphasizes those frequencies (and avoid brightness to get that elusive "warmth"), you'll probably like it more. Fourth, unison. Ah, unison! That lovely width and pleasant phasing, that power, makes you feel like you've just let loose a dragon shout in Skyrim!

So, when people talk about how "good" a synth sounds, I often wonder how they've arrived at that conclusion. Were they lured in by those awful tricks mentioned above? The very first preset in ANA2, which is a fine synth, is just like that. Godawful, unusable, but hugely impressive (at least it doesn't clip). Same thing, but actually the other way around, for Zebra. Can you just imagine a budding producer flicking his way through Howard's expertly programmed but usually dry and focused patches, thinking "how am I gonna produce my bitchin #1 hit song with this, man? This synth sucks!"

tl;dr whenever people give their appraisal of a synth, it'd be nice to hear the how and why, because just naming synths doesn't really tell you a whole lot.

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Gamma-UT
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5736 posts since 8 Jun, 2009 from UK

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:40 am

foosnark wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:25 am
Just which blue is subjectively best?
Pantone 19-4052.

It's the blue of 2020.

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ariston
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3686 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:41 am

foosnark wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:25 am
What is the best shade of blue? Putting aside any sort of context -- like the background or surrounding colors, the lighting, or what the object even is (could be the sky, a laser, a human face, a piece of bread, a stop sign, etc.)

Just which blue is subjectively best?
That's easy... a medium royal blue, of course!

chk071
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24918 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:44 am

audiot wrote: There are to many sonic territories and flavors to be covered by one synth.
That's true. I probably would feel limited using one synth only. Even though such limits also have their appeal.
Plugins and a DAW. On a operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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fmr
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9711 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:51 am

audiot wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:05 am
fmr wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:32 am
audiot wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:30 am
I think there is no "sonically best" synth.
I totally agree. This is a typical "silly season" thread :roll:
... silly season :hihi: Never heard that before :hihi:
I think this is an international expression (though actually born in UK):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season
Fernando (FMR)

audiot
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478 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Germany

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:11 am

fmr wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:51 am
audiot wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:05 am
fmr wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:32 am
audiot wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:30 am
I think there is no "sonically best" synth.
I totally agree. This is a typical "silly season" thread :roll:
... silly season :hihi: Never heard that before :hihi:
I think this is an international expression (though actually born in UK):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season
Yes I read that wiki earlier. These tommys :nutter: ... they have to be sarcastic about everything. We just call it summer. But seriously: i like the tommys ... to many good musicians to hate them :hug:

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BONES
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10166 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:05 pm

audiot wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:06 am
If you would ask Stephan Bodzin for his favorite synth, what should he answer? He just has a Sub37.
Before I could do that, I'd have to find out who Stephan Bodzin is. But the thing of it is, just because you own a certain piece of kit, doesn't mean you think it's the best. Maybe the best you could afford, or the best one to fit into your set-up, but the only time in my 36 years of synth ownership when I thought any of the synths I owed were anything close to the best was for a couple of years in the late 1990s after I had spent around $6000 on a fully-loaded Korg Trinity. The rest were just what I could afford.
ariston wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:40 am
The very first preset in ANA2, which is a fine synth, is just like that. Godawful, unusable, but hugely impressive (at least it doesn't clip).
I have used that preset in at least half-a-dozen songs I've been working on lately. I've tried to fit it into every song, just for shits and giggles, but a few have missed out. Yes, I've had to reduce the effects in about half the instances but the other half are pretty much untouched. So what's unusable to one person can be perfectly usable to another.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, I have lately come to realise why it is that I find Union so incredibly useful - it's because the patches I mostly work from have subtle or no effects on them, so when I put them into an arrangement, they work with minimal effort. I actually had to add delay and reverb to one instance I was working on the other night.
chk071 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:44 am
audiot wrote: There are to many sonic territories and flavors to be covered by one synth.
That's true. I probably would feel limited using one synth only. Even though such limits also have their appeal.
That's particularly true for me, as I prefer simpler synths. I use this analogy quite often but I'd rather have a $10 generic set of combination spanners than a single $50 high quality adjustable wrench. So I tend to use specific synths for specific situations. e.g. I only ever use Orion's Wasp for basslines and if I want a good lead sound, I'll always try Korg's ARP Odyssey first. Things like Thorn or DUEN only come out as a last resort, unless I know that one of them will do what I need with minimal fuss.
NOVAkILL 4.0 : Dell G7 (Core i7, 32GB RAM, RTX2060, Win10), UR44C | Cubase | DUNE, Thorn, TRK-01, Union, bx_oberhausen, Vacuum Pro, Arcsyn, Phase Plant, Mono/Fury, Pigments, Aparillo | Uno, Analog Keys, Ultranova.

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ariston
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3686 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat

Post Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:07 pm

BONES wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:05 pm
ariston wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:40 am
The very first preset in ANA2, which is a fine synth, is just like that. Godawful, unusable, but hugely impressive (at least it doesn't clip).
I have used that preset in at least half-a-dozen songs I've been working on lately. I've tried to fit it into every song, just for shits and giggles, but a few have missed out. Yes, I've had to reduce the effects in about half the instances but the other half are pretty much untouched. So what's unusable to one person can be perfectly usable to another.
That's perfectly fine, and a matter of taste - and quite beside the point I was making. It's not about taste, but about HOW people arrive at their value judgment. If they say "ANA 2 is amazing, just listen to that first patch", then I'll know their reasoning and can myself decide if I want to lend credence to their opinion or not.
Mainly, it's an attempt to add some depth to these endless "what synth" discussions. Lord knows, I've been guilty of just tossing out synth names without explaining my opinion in-depth. It's easy, but lazy.

audiot
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478 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Germany

Post Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:00 am

BONES wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:05 pm
Before I could do that, I'd have to find out who Stephan Bodzin is.
That was a stupid example. I apologize :oops: I was listening to Bodzin while posting this. But he's well known in the techno scene. I talked to some dnb heads a while ago and even they knew him. He's one of the few guys who actually play a synth (very nuanced modulations as essential part of the arrangment). You should check his work. There are some tracks that everyone loves, no matter which style of music you're in ("wir" for example ... awesome track)

bermudagold
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363 posts since 15 Feb, 2005

Post Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:31 am

audiot wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:00 am
BONES wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:05 pm
Before I could do that, I'd have to find out who Stephan Bodzin is.
That was a stupid example. I apologize :oops: I was listening to Bodzin while posting this. But he's well known in the techno scene. I talked to some dnb heads a while ago and even they knew him. He's one of the few guys who actually play a synth (very nuanced modulations as essential part of the arrangment). You should check his work. There are some tracks that everyone loves, no matter which style of music you're in ("wir" for example ... awesome track)
so I googled stephan bodzin wir......genuinely curious why that song resonates with you...is it something you can articulate?...3 million views, 800 comments...top comment says "how is this track even possible"...lots of people saying the track brings tears to their eyes?
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