N.I. Straylight...

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TMHC
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7 posts since 27 May, 2019

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:11 am

noiseboyuk wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:06 am
TMHC wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:36 am
Please note that the price change is due to the 1.5 update, which adds significant features and presets.
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. The 1.5 update still had the same price as I recall, for the few days between then and today.

The Wayback Machine doesn't have a record - can anyone demonstrate one way or another that this price has only been increased for the sale?
Nope, Straylight 1.5 went live on Monday... so did the new price.

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KVRAF
2879 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:38 am

TMHC wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:11 am
Nope, Straylight 1.5 went live on Monday... so did the new price.
If that's correct (I can't find hard evidence either way), then 2 questions:

1 - has NI ever put up the price on a dot update before?
2 - does anyone know the situation with Super 8, which I understand has also had a price rise without a dot update?
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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:40 am

That's so f**king greasy!

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Calenberger
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385 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:49 am

The main problem for me is that there was NO transparent communication.
Virtually every other developer who offers intro prices state that there is an intro price and how long this intro period lasts. None has been done by NI.
They are on a slippery road currently...
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enCiphered
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592 posts since 13 Dec, 2016

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:55 am

Calenberger wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:49 am
The main problem for me is that there was NO transparent communication.
Virtually every other developer who offers intro prices state that there is an intro price and how long this intro period lasts. None has been done by NI.
They are on a slippery road currently...
Isn´t this counterproductive for their business? I mean, if noone knows that there is an intro offer noone will buy

simmo75
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1638 posts since 25 Mar, 2016 from Seattle

Re: N.I. Straylight...

Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:59 am

So how is the actual instrument, since drag n drop samples update?

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Calenberger
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385 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:00 am

enCiphered wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:55 am
Calenberger wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:49 am
The main problem for me is that there was NO transparent communication.
Virtually every other developer who offers intro prices state that there is an intro price and how long this intro period lasts. None has been done by NI.
They are on a slippery road currently...
Isn´t this counterproductive for their business? I mean, if noone knows that there is an intro offer noone will buy
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krankyone
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183 posts since 13 Oct, 2006

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:19 am

Bad news: price increase
Good news: 50% off
Best news: I have NI vouchers
Worst news: vouchers won't apply to this special sale

Aw, just screw it. Shopping cart is now empty
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6108 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:30 am

The silent price increase is a bad move of ni. f**k that. Otherwise if it will be included in komplete u could sell the license for 50 or more bucks some time...
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LoveEnigma18
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1290 posts since 12 Jan, 2018

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:45 am

krankyone wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:19 am
Bad news: price increase
Good news: 50% off
Best news: I have NI vouchers
Worst news: vouchers won't apply to this special sale

Aw, just screw it. Shopping cart is now empty
The story today for a few.

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Dirtgrain
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354 posts since 12 Jan, 2019

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:48 pm

The few becomes the many

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425 posts since 18 Dec, 2007

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:54 pm

Add another to that list.

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KVRian
1317 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:55 pm

krankyone wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:19 am
Bad news: price increase
Good news: 50% off
Best news: I have NI vouchers
Worst news: vouchers won't apply to this special sale

Aw, just screw it. Shopping cart is now empty
You were never able to use vouchers on discounted items.

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KVRian
748 posts since 20 Feb, 2003

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:14 pm

Digivolt wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:42 am
report them to the ASA https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint.html it's illegal to increase a price and then offer a "sale" on that increased price, it has to have been that price for at least 12 months before offering a sale
Where are you getting the 12 month number from? AFAIK You're not correct, and the reality is that there's no "set in stone" time period. It must merely be considered "fair".. where the definition of that is left open.

"Fair" is usually achieved by setting the price increase period to be the same amount of time (or longer) as the discount period. So, if the sale is to last 20 days, you'd hike the price for at least 20 days before hand, then you can reasonably argue what you're doing is "fair".

But, if you can show hardly any sales were made (at the increased price), it's still possible to get a ruling that the discount wasn't genuine.. Again AFAIK ;)

DrFolder
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124 posts since 4 Feb, 2015

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Post Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:17 pm

What is so unique about Straylight internally? Is it just kontakts granular engine being used?

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