Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

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drdriller
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245 posts since 6 Feb, 2017

Post Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:55 am

perpetual3 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:25 am
Why remove Massive X? It’s a WT synth.
trolling on the lack of interested that this synth generates

fortycoats
KVRer
27 posts since 17 Oct, 2007

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:41 pm

Ten pages and no mention of Wolfgang Palm or the great sounding PPG collection :(

This thread would not exist if he hadn’t invented wavetable synthesis 40 years ago!!!

cytospur
KVRian
1317 posts since 26 Jun, 2002 from London, UK

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:11 pm

fortycoats wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:41 pm
Ten pages and no mention of Wolfgang Palm or the great sounding PPG collection :(

This thread would not exist if he hadn’t invented wavetable synthesis 40 years ago!!!
True, but not true. Someone else would have invented shortly afterwards.
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

fortycoats
KVRer
27 posts since 17 Oct, 2007

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:33 pm

How close were you?

cytospur
KVRian
1317 posts since 26 Jun, 2002 from London, UK

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:59 pm

Nowhere near. Just a reflection on inventions in general, of which I do have some association.
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
£10 for lifetime updates including wavetable editor for Windows.

Music: https://soundcloud.com/markholt

fortycoats
KVRer
27 posts since 17 Oct, 2007

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:22 pm

There were a few people doing stuff in that area back then. Apologies for the bad joke, long day here.

I happened upon this thread after playing with PPG infinite and was going to add my vote. Was just a bit shocked that nobody had mentioned it!

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Tj Shredder
KVRAF
2962 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:16 am

I vote for listing all available wave table synths that exist in the subject... No, I am not going to read the whole thread to see if all have been mentioned already...

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Biome_Digital
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731 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:32 am

drdriller wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:55 am
perpetual3 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:25 am
Why remove Massive X? It’s a WT synth.
trolling on the lack of interested that this synth generates
Massive x really does sound good and the GUI is pretty good too. Once they release an update with the obvious things left out (envelope curves!) it is going to be one of the top synths!

drdriller
KVRist
245 posts since 6 Feb, 2017

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:30 am

Biome_Digital wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:32 am
Massive x really does sound good and the GUI is pretty good too. Once they release an update with the obvious things left out (envelope curves!) it is going to be one of the top synths!
too many good synth everywhere to give this one a second try when it will be patched

Smapti
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34 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:00 am

drdriller wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:30 am
Biome_Digital wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:32 am
Massive x really does sound good and the GUI is pretty good too. Once they release an update with the obvious things left out (envelope curves!) it is going to be one of the top synths!
too many good synth everywhere to give this one a second try when it will be patched
Every synth gets patches. By this logic we shouldn't have any synths at all in this thread.

Also, Massive X is working just fine as is. It will certainly have updates down the road, but it's a full-featured & excellent instrument already.

JPQ
KVRian
1078 posts since 7 Jan, 2008 from Finland

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:24 am

What about ilter mode comparisons what modes are available.

goldenlotus12
KVRer
9 posts since 12 Feb, 2019

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:47 pm

Wolfgang Palm synths are great and far more creative out of the box than anything else
Serum is basically the standard
Pigments is awesome super fast and easy to use
Massive X workflow is not up to competitors

rj0
KVRist
271 posts since 18 Sep, 2010

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:56 pm

Kubik! You left out Kubik!

OK, just kidding, but not that long ago (OK, maybe it was that long ago ...) there wasn't much else going on in wavetable synths other than PPG. Kubik seemed like the wave of the future, ... except the main interest was in 'analog' (hey, good too!), and wavetable synths seemed to be fading fringe interests. Awesome to see that they've come mainstream.

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zerocrossing
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9783 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:10 pm

Smapti wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:00 am
drdriller wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:30 am
Biome_Digital wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:32 am
Massive x really does sound good and the GUI is pretty good too. Once they release an update with the obvious things left out (envelope curves!) it is going to be one of the top synths!
too many good synth everywhere to give this one a second try when it will be patched
Every synth gets patches. By this logic we shouldn't have any synths at all in this thread.

Also, Massive X is working just fine as is. It will certainly have updates down the road, but it's a full-featured & excellent instrument already.
No developer is perfect. Even the saint Urs Heckman abandoned Uhbik X (a modular environment promised as an upcoming update). It happens. He made other updates. We moved on. It’s clear Massive X wasn’t quite the release they were hoping for. I could see waiting until some of the rough edges are smoothed, but to dismiss it forever? Silly.
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biscuitdough
KVRer
28 posts since 8 Jun, 2019

Re: Wavetable Blowout: Massive X vs Avenger vs Serum vs Icarus vs Pigments...

Post Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:46 am

Just keeping track of synths people have mentioned they would like added to the initial comparison post:

Ableton Wavetable
Dune 3
Fathom
Halion
Hive 2
Predator 2
Synthmaster

Melda MPowersynth and Ocean Swift's new Enterprise may also be worth comparing. I'm not sure if any of the Waldorf stuff like Nave or Largo counts, or if it's more old-school wavetable scanning a la Prophet VS rather than what people think of as a wavetable synth in the plugin world.

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