One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

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RichardSemper
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486 posts since 30 Oct, 2013 from Stoke On Trent

Post Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:35 pm

ilmai wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:13 pm
I couldn't get a consistent kick sound out of this, which is a problem since sampling isn't allowed... even when enabling retriggering on osc1 and setting all drift values to 0, some kicks play with an audible click while others have a soft transient. Anyone have success with this? I could create a track without kicks but frankly the synth doesn't inspire me to jump through hoops...
Here, give these a try:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dp6jfj9f35gke ... s.zip?dl=0

Eauson
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895 posts since 9 Jan, 2013 from morf

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:25 pm

ilmai wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:13 pm
I couldn't get a consistent kick sound out of this, which is a problem since sampling isn't allowed... even when enabling retriggering on osc1 and setting all drift values to 0, some kicks play with an audible click while others have a soft transient. Anyone have success with this? I could create a track without kicks but frankly the synth doesn't inspire me to jump through hoops...
sometimes an inconsistent kick can give a livelier feeling that a consistent tump, tump, tump
Alternative is 2 version of the same synth allowing greater spacing between the midi note, plus release times can sometimes cause overlapping :)
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FrankH
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22 posts since 31 Mar, 2019 from California

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:15 pm

I can relate, I spent time on drums yesterday, Attached are my kick drum patches I'm working with. At the moment I'm happy with the second one with the softer attack. After a bunch of compression it seems to work.
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basa333
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29 posts since 26 Apr, 2019 from CZ

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:26 pm

hi,

here you have my presets, I hope, this is a little help
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Touch The Universe
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Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:49 am

Can Version 1 be used also/instead?
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Ranoka
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336 posts since 4 Jun, 2018 from The UK

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:41 am

Touch The Universe wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:49 am
Can Version 1 be used also/instead?
Yes! Different version numbers are ok.
I believe that was already confirmed in the thread :D

Eauson
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895 posts since 9 Jan, 2013 from morf

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:51 am

Ranoka wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:41 am
Touch The Universe wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:49 am
Can Version 1 be used also/instead?
Yes! Different version numbers are ok.
I believe that was already confirmed in the thread :D
There are several versions ofVerrsion1 available, the one on KvRdatbase is not too bad CPU wise, however I could not get midi learn to work, this may not be a problem for you, another version available on vst planet was heavy on CPU when FM was used but midi learn worked, for me anyhow. Also, the 2 versions has a different implementation of bitcrush and samplethingy rate. Otherwise they were okay, apart from on rendering, some instances didn't work :tu: ;) :D :phones: :party:
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SirKen
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338 posts since 19 Oct, 2012

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:57 am

doctorbob wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:27 pm
@SirKen Using the VST2 version, and you would think that saving as VST2 preset was the thing to do - like you I find this fails.

But, save as "vst3preset", this works.

Also, I find that with Reaper, saving a project, closing it, and then re-opening it brings everything back as it should. No issues with reverb in the fx section either.

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Thank you, that worked.

On another note, can anyone help me get a decent male vocal choir-ish sound out of this synth? I was thinking of using sine waves like an additive synth but the tuning knobs don't show the frequency range, only -10 to +10.

Leonard Bowman
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64 posts since 4 Jul, 2018 from North Carolina, United States of America

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:06 am

@sir ken you could probably do sawtooth (+FM) into fixed band pass filters at your formant frequencies (use an external visualizer to tune it). split into multiple intances, one per band.

the tuning knobs don't let you tune to pure harmonics; you can go in octaves, semitones, and +/- 10 cents. that means you can't get an accurate 5th harmonic, much less a 7th harmonic with any decency.

(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this, I'd love a little more freedom to tune this away from 12edo.)
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TrojakEW
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284 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Slovakia

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:52 am

Have little time to make quick and short junky track. It was mean to be pure electronica but in process I got carried away and end up with my usual junk (I love percussions :lol:). Interesting synth for sure.
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FL Studio 20.0.5
13 instances of T-Force Alpha
DAW FX's:
3x Fruity parametric EQ 2
4x Maximus
Other FX's:
1x VST zOne Amplio 2
1x OrilRiver
Statistics:
Integrated loudness -14,7 LUFS
Max momentary loudness -9,1 LUFS
Max short-tem loudness -11,0 LUFS
Loudnes range 11,5 LU
True peak L -0.56db
True peak R -0.56db
DC offset L +0%
DC offset R +0%
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Dirtgrain
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118 posts since 12 Jan, 2019

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:41 am

TrojakEW, I'm loving those sounds, especially the pan flute-like opener. Great composition, too.

ramseysounds
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299 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:11 am

Can't get any external presets to load here (fxp or fxb) :?
I wonder what happens if I press this button...

RichardSemper
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486 posts since 30 Oct, 2013 from Stoke On Trent

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:34 am

ramseysounds wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:11 am
Can't get any external presets to load here (fxp or fxb) :?
same here - fxp and fxb will save but not load. Save as vst3 works fine though.

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TrojakEW
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284 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Slovakia

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:02 pm

RichardSemper wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:34 am
ramseysounds wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:11 am
Can't get any external presets to load here (fxp or fxb) :?
same here - fxp and fxb will save but not load. Save as vst3 works fine though.
I found that using FLStudio and saving patches for this synth to fst (FL Studio state file) cause most of problems like CPU overload and FL crash. I use this feature almost always because it's faster to load those patches after. But this time it somehow screw them. What I do was resave them using in built preset manager to VST3. This fix most of the problems and doesn't change them. After that I have to reload all instances of plugin. Just loading those VST3 presets was not enough.

(Fxp and fxb may cause similar but I do not tried it. ) Now I just tried to save to fxp. It works but cause same problems as fst. So do not use it! 8)
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Ranoka
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336 posts since 4 Jun, 2018 from The UK

Re: One Synth Challenge #125: T-Force Alpha Plus 2 by Mastrcode Music

Post Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:36 pm

TrojakEW wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:02 pm
I found that using FLStudio and saving patches for this synth to fst (FL Studio state file) cause most of problems like CPU overload and FL crash. I use this feature almost always because it's faster to load those patches after. But this time it somehow screw them. What I do was resave them using in built preset manager to VST3. This fix most of the problems and doesn't change them. After that I have to reload all instances of plugin. Just loading those VST3 presets was not enough.

(Fxp and fxb may cause similar but I do not tried it. ) Now I just tried to save to fxp. It works but cause same problems as fst. So do not use it! 8)
Thanks for the heads up!

I'm currently making sounds for Hive2, but when I come back to T-Force Alpha I'll experiment/keep this in mind because I often use the fst saves for ease/speed.

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