Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

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Benedict
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Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:25 pm

wagtunes wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:55 pm
I mean how old were you and Bones in 1967?
Me, I was -2. Assuming you meant August 6th.

I started to get into music (Rock/Pop) in the late 70's. Particularly the more New Wave sounds as they appeared in the mainstream with things like Cheap Trick "Dream Police". I liked a lot of what is now called Classic Rock or worse (Billy Joel, Captain & Teneile) but there was something about that new sharp sound (and the simplicity I think) that I keyed into.

:-)

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BONES
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:40 pm

Up until the Punk explosion, which didn't really hit Australia until 1977, I had very little interest in music. Nothing I had heard really connected with me at all (although I can still sing along to most of them, 40-50 years later). Then, one night in February 1979, I was on leave from the Royal Military College and a few of my mates, then at uni, dragged me along to see The Stranglers. That was a night that quite literally changed my life. No music had ever connected with me the way that did. It was an entre into a whole new world for me.
wagtunes wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:55 pm
I mean how old were you and Bones in 1967? I was already listening to pop music in 1964 when The Beatles hit the scene on Ed Sullivan.
I remember very clearly when The Beatles arrived in Australia in 1964. I was restricted to bed with pneumonia and Mum had set me up on the sofa-bed in the lounge room so I could watch it on TV. I was 6 years old, in 1st Grade at school. In '67 I was 9.
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AnX
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:16 pm

so cock size has been swapped for age now?

AnX
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:22 pm

BONES wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:04 pm

Who's laughing now? (Great Skinny Puppy song, btw.)
sampled from Evil Dead II i believe

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vurt
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:21 am

AnX wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:16 pm
so cock size has been swapped for age now?
well wags has an unfair advantage on cock size :scared:

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wagtunes
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:00 am

Stupid response as I expected. Regardless of what bands were BIGGER than the Doors in Australia, the Doors WERE known there. You said you didn't hear of them until the 80s. So I don't know where you were in the 60s but they WERE an established popular band with radio play.

That was my point. That was my ONLY point. Not whose dick is bigger.

And with that, it's time to put you back on ignore where you belong because I should know by now, you're NEVER wrong.

AnX
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:11 am

vurt wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:21 am
AnX wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:16 pm
so cock size has been swapped for age now?
well wags has an unfair advantage on cock size :scared:
shame its in the wrong place :dog:

Kwurqx
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417 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:42 am

Forgotten wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:40 pm
BONES wrote:"Electronic Music" wasn't even a genre until relatively recently
Electronic music has been made since the 1930s. The Theremin was invented in the 1920s and a handful other other electronic instruments followed in the 1930s.

The term "Electronic Music" was used before Rock and Roll existed (albeit in its German form), and Stockhausen and his contemporaries recorded electronic music before the first modern synthesizers were invented.

Delia Derbyshire, Milton Babbitt, Morton Subotnik, Wendy Carlos, etc. recorded entirely electronic music in the 60s, and their music was certainly classified as electronic music.

There was also a phase during the early 1970s where everyone was trying to record a hit record with synthesizers, before they became more integrated into the rock music format.

Definitely not a genre that only came about recently. Maybe became more popular, but electronic music has been around as a genre for a long time.
Let's not forget film scores...

The first fully electronic film score dates from....1956, by Louis and Bebe Barron: Forbidden planet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe_and_Louis_Barron

Louis and Bebe Barron: Forbidden Planet (1956)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aryHMPH7Kcc

And let's not forget the Dutch, Dick Raaymakers (Kid Baltan) and Tom Disseveld, who were at the frontline of development and started experimenting with electronic gear and music in Philips NatLab (Physics Labaratories) in the late 50's.

How electronic music began in 1950s Netherlands
https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutc ... etherlands

Tom Dissevelt & Kid Baltan - Song of the Second Moon (1957)
https://youtu.be/bVl2_MSwmSA

And yes, Delia Derbyshire, a legend, only recently truly acknowledged.

Ron Grainer / Delia Derbyshire - Dr Who theme (1963)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM8uBGANASc

Ron Grainer wrote the score. Delia Derbyshire created the actual music. She "sequenced" it by cutting and pasting pieces of magnetic tape recordings of electronic noises. At the BBC Radiophonic Workshop.

The making of...the original Dr Who theme (with interviews).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkIEkLww3lg

Some early "ambient" avant-la-lettre...

Delia Derbyshire - Blue Veils and Golden Sand (1968)
https://wikidelia.net/wiki/Blue_Veils_and_Golden_Sands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyUkmxy5VMI

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wagtunes
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:45 am

And this is a classic example of why I hate this forum. I post statistics disproving the initial statement and so then the goal posts get moved and then the insults begin to further "prove" how wrong I am.

This thread should be made a sticky to prove how nasty some people here are.

Sorry haters. but for once I'M right and there isn't a statement you can make to prove otherwise.

God I hate this place.

Kwurqx
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:55 am

wagtunes wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:45 am
And this is a classic example of why I hate this forum. I post statistics disproving the initial statement and so then the goal posts get moved and then the insults begin to further "prove" how wrong I am.

This thread should be made a sticky to prove how nasty some people here are.

Sorry haters. but for once I'M right and there isn't a statement you can make to prove otherwise.

God I hate this place.
It seems we are living in the "post truth" era. Where emotions outweigh facts.
https://ralphkeyes.com/book/the-post-truth-era/

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wagtunes
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:00 am

Kwurqx wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:55 am
wagtunes wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:45 am
And this is a classic example of why I hate this forum. I post statistics disproving the initial statement and so then the goal posts get moved and then the insults begin to further "prove" how wrong I am.

This thread should be made a sticky to prove how nasty some people here are.

Sorry haters. but for once I'M right and there isn't a statement you can make to prove otherwise.

God I hate this place.
It seems we are living in the "post truth" era. Where emotions outweigh facts.
https://ralphkeyes.com/book/the-post-truth-era/
Well I'm done with it. Let these guys be right. I don't care.

Hey Bones, you're right. I am SOOOOOO wrong. What on EARTH was I thinking? I should be ashamed of myself for being SUCH AN IDIOT.

And with that, I have nothing left to add to this train wreck.

Have a nice life folks. I'm going back to my much needed ignore list.

Dirtgrain
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:27 am

AnX wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:16 pm
so cock size has been swapped for age now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

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BONES
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:27 am

wagtunes wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:45 am
And this is a classic example of why I hate this forum.
No, I think it is more of an example of why so many people on this forum hate you.
I post statistics disproving the initial statement and so then the goal posts get moved and then the insults begin to further "prove" how wrong I am.
Nothing got moved, you just can't extract the correct meaning from the words on the page in front of you. Far from disproving it, your statistics actually backed up my point, which I was able to show by giving them context. To give it a bit more, nobody in their right mind would have that Peter Andre was ever popular anywhere, yet he had more than twice as many charting singles in Australia as The Doors, including a no. 1.
wagtunes wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:00 am
Not whose dick is bigger.
You really don't have a sense of humour, do you? Dave's comment was inspired by the ages I gave in response to your question. Think about it.
Regardless of what bands were BIGGER than the Doors in Australia, the Doors WERE known there. You said you didn't hear of them until the 80s.
No, that's not what I said at all. I said "A bit like The Doors, who only became really popular decades after Morrison died." I then used an example of a Doors song that was no. 1 in the US and failed to chart at all in Australia. I'd heard Riders on the Storm and Love Her Madly enough to remember them but that's about it. Then, 20 years later, The Doors music is on the radio very regularly and I hear a lot of their songs I'd never heard before, Light My Fire being the really obvious example, as it was a song I had heard many times as a child but never sung by Jim Morrison. But I'm sure that growing up on the exact opposite side of the planet gave you far greater insight into what was being played on the radio in Sydney than me actually hearing what was being played on the radio. So really, I don't know what I was doing relating experiences from my own life when I could simply have asked you for your worthless f**king opinion. Now go away and NEVER un-foe me again.
AnX wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:16 pm
so cock size has been swapped for age now?
Mate, and that was on the flop!
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:11 am

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vurt
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Re: Why so little respect for the synthetic "instruments" we're creating?

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:18 am

the doors? isnt that val kilmers band?

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