TB-303 Emulators

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KVRAF
5313 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:10 am

AnX wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:39 am
more at ppl hear clicks as a fault. Ask any dev and they will tell you, thats why they smooth it out.
I have the impression that devs sometimes consider things that actually make this or that hardware unit special as "faults" and try to smooth them out.

Can't say much about 303 because I never owned one, but this is my impression from the discussions about Virus and some other (but great) old hardware.
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KVRAF
28116 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:18 am

I think Urs from u-he wrote once that it's a consideration which "faults" are attractive for the people, and which are not. Noise, for example, is mostly not modelled, while everything in regards of saturation in the signal path or filter is very important. IMO, the clicking is also a vital part, but, YMMV.
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KVRAF
4818 posts since 6 May, 2002

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:21 am

chk071 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:17 am
electro wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:10 am
Audiorealism ABL3 is the last and final word in TB-303 emulation softsynths. Nothing can touch it.
Doubt it. There's never been a last and final word in emulating other synths in the past. Just look at Diva -> Monark/Legend.

Also, if you listen closely to the comparison here: https://www.acidvoice.com/tb_303_vst_pl ... ftware.htm Where's the transient click the real thing has? Once again about any soft synth emulation fails to model that. It's a detail, but, it's prety apparent when you listen on headphones (and, frankly, i wonder why many devs miss stuff like that).
They just tweaked the audio engine for extra 1% accuracy in the latest 3.2.1 update. I recently read someone say Monark sounds identical to the Model D NI has in their offices. Both Legend and Monark are good to have IMO.

Speaking of last word emulations Gforce did it for the OSCar, Waldorf did it for the PPG Wave 2.3, TAL did it for the Juno 60, XILS did it for the VP-330, Arturia did it for the NED Synclavier, U-he did it for the Prophet 5 and Audiorealism has definitely done it for the TB-303. I won't be looking for future emulation attempts at any of these synths.
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KVRian
1123 posts since 11 Apr, 2008

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:21 am

chk071 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:40 am
Yeah, but... that sucks. Bring on the clicks. Vital part of the sound. :P
AnX wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:39 am
also, my 303's didnt have any clicks
Hmm... might differ from machine to machine then? (Although i'm doubtful) I definitely can hear a click in the attack phase in the examples from the Acid Voice page. And on most of the other analogs i heard in person (Jupiter-8) or in sound demos.
You serious? What's next? Maybe emulation of this disgusting aliasing in JP8000 plugin? Oh wait... :wink:

The first thing I would do would be extermination of those awful clicks :P

Dolphin, TyByX, ABL3, Venom, VirtualS and TN303 seems to have clicks (more or less) in audio demos on this website.
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KVRAF
28116 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:24 am

electro wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:21 am
chk071 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:17 am
electro wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:10 am
Audiorealism ABL3 is the last and final word in TB-303 emulation softsynths. Nothing can touch it.
Doubt it. There's never been a last and final word in emulating other synths in the past. Just look at Diva -> Monark/Legend.

Also, if you listen closely to the comparison here: https://www.acidvoice.com/tb_303_vst_pl ... ftware.htm Where's the transient click the real thing has? Once again about any soft synth emulation fails to model that. It's a detail, but, it's prety apparent when you listen on headphones (and, frankly, i wonder why many devs miss stuff like that).
They just tweaked the audio engine for extra 1% accuracy in the latest 3.2.1 update. I recently read someone say Monark sounds identical to the Model D NI has in their offices. Both Legend and Monark are good to have IMO.
Monark is amazing. Love it. Every time i listen to a Model D on Youtube, i'm pretty stunned how close Monark sounds to that.
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4029 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:28 am

chk071 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:17 am
electro wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:10 am
Audiorealism ABL3 is the last and final word in TB-303 emulation softsynths. Nothing can touch it.
Doubt it. There's never been a last and final word in emulating other synths in the past. Just look at Diva -> Monark/Legend.

Also, if you listen closely to the comparison here: https://www.acidvoice.com/tb_303_vst_pl ... ftware.htm Where's the transient click the real thing has? Once again about any soft synth emulation fails to model that. It's a detail, but, it's prety apparent when you listen on headphones (and, frankly, i wonder why many devs miss stuff like that).
Abl 3.2.1 has some audio engine tweaks making it even more authentic .
It's the best emulation so far , most emu's fail when the accent is involved
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KVRian
787 posts since 8 Jan, 2012 from frankfurt, Germany

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:35 am

nobody mentioned the modular version TB Bundle for VM

https://cherryaudio.com/resources/video ... age-bundle

KVRian
1302 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:38 am

sacer wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:35 am
nobody mentioned the modular version TB Bundle for VM

https://cherryaudio.com/resources/video ... age-bundle
That sounds nothing like a 303 to me.

KVRAF
2032 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:12 am

sacer wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:35 am
nobody mentioned the modular version TB Bundle for VM

https://cherryaudio.com/resources/video ... age-bundle
Well, TB 303 is more than a osc and a filter. Not enough knobs to tweak. :wink:

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KVRian
961 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:46 pm

electro wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:10 am
Audiorealism ABL3 is the last and final word in TB-303 emulation softsynths. Nothing can touch it.
Totally agree.
More BPM please

KVRist
238 posts since 12 Jan, 2005 from Germany

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:26 pm

Yep. And it can't be close anyhow without the internal sequencer.. :tu:

KVRAF
2032 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:47 pm

Can you guys get crackbox working?
Doesn't show up in my Ableton 10. (64 bit)

https://blog.wavosaur.com/best-free-tb- ... tandalone/

KVRist
313 posts since 13 Dec, 2004 from USA

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:14 pm

I suppose you could always do something crazy like I've been trying, using HY-Plugins SeqCollection2 for the sequencer portion and trying to build the sounds myself in a general-purpose synth :)

FWIW, I don't really know about realism comparisons as I've never used the hardware version, but soundwise Phoscyon seems to have the best sound of the dedicated emulations I've tried - ABL3 is also pretty good but to me sounds somehow "flatter," especially as the resonance ramps up.

KVRAF
2032 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Post Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:27 pm

There are all kinds of ways I guess.
Avenger has some nice acid sounds and I use the Avenger sequencer too to sequence other acid synths. I use seqcollection2 too.

Still the Roland vst is still my preferred option. I visited all kinds of emulations but ultimately just the Roland vst is all that I would need. If they sold it like a regular vst, I'd buy it immediately.

KVRian
1302 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:41 am

There can never be a perfect emulation because even 2 hardware units sound differently.

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