Any love for Dmitry Sches Thorn?
- KVRist
- 179 posts since 17 Sep, 2019
I like Diversion and Thorn and don´t compare them to other synths. It´s like guitars, you can have many and each has a different vibe. Both are capable of very nice sounds!
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
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- KVRist
- 483 posts since 17 Sep, 2020
Agreed... Thorn is a very bass heavy synth. And Diversion has a vast array of sound design capabilities.nusound mind wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:38 am That said if I needed one for bass duty I'd probably reach for Thorn first over Diversion.
Of course, it's nice to have both.
- KVRist
- 245 posts since 22 Jun, 2020
Thorn is great, I'm a fan. I like what I can get out of it. It can be subtle and of course it can be made to be hard driven into space.
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 15955 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
The thing is, that's what makes DUNE so amazing and Synapse such a great developer. I don't think you can expect that kind of performance across the board. It's probably also why DUNE is nearly always full price but you mostly only have to pay $29 to get Thorn, less if you have a voucher. The other thing is that I never use DUNE for anything, whereas I go out of my way to find uses for Thorn. It's ever-so-slightly above average CPU use is more than compensated for by it's ease of use and great sound quality.
That's the thing, every synth has strengths and weaknesses, you just have to decide whether the pros outweigh the cons, on a case by case basis. In the case of DUNE, nothing it does well makes up for its appalling workflow, whereas I find Thorn's CPU use - which I had never even noticed until I went looking the other day - is an easy trade-off for all the things it does well. It starts to be an issue if I want to run 5 instances of RePro 5 or Knifonium but even my old Core i5 laptop could handle 5 instances of Thorn without any trouble.
That's interesting because if there is one thing I wouldn't use Thorn for, it's basslines. I don't think its filter is good enough for that kind of work and it seems like a lot of synth to use on something that you can do as easily on simpler synths. JP6K has become my go-to bass machine - it is so quick and easy and never fails to give me what I need.nusound mind wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:38 amThat said if I needed one for bass duty I'd probably reach for Thorn first over Diversion.
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- KVRian
- 596 posts since 21 Jan, 2017
I'm new to Thorn despite owning it for awhile, tried it maybe 3 times altogether before last week or so but it struck me immediately as superior to Diversion bass wise. More plucky? idk. Now it's in a couple projects and has worked every time I've trialed it for something.BONES wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:54 am
That's interesting because if there is one thing I wouldn't use Thorn for, it's basslines. I don't think its filter is good enough for that kind of work and it seems like a lot of synth to use on something that you can do as easily on simpler synths. JP6K has become my go-to bass machine - it is so quick and easy and never fails to give me what I need.
Typically I go Spire, Repro-1 or a couple others as first try outs for basslines. Repro 1 could be said to be a lot of synth too but otoh depending on the track the sound of the bass is crucial and that thing delivers where it counts, least when I'm going for that dark shredding vibe Repro can do.
Then again sometimes a sine wave is all I need for subbier stuff.
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- KVRian
- 596 posts since 21 Jan, 2017
For sure. Far as Diversion goes I love it for pads, drones or fx type stuff. It's a synth I can zone out on like almost no other. I've found cpu wise if I start from choice factory presets it's alot more manageable than when I've started from init for whatever reason. That and keep unison low.Effectsworks wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:41 amAgreed... Thorn is a very bass heavy synth. And Diversion has a vast array of sound design capabilities.nusound mind wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:38 am That said if I needed one for bass duty I'd probably reach for Thorn first over Diversion.
Of course, it's nice to have both.
- KVRist
- 483 posts since 17 Sep, 2020
The unison sounds great but it's vicious on cpu.
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mountainmaster mountainmaster https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=153531
- KVRist
- 488 posts since 10 Jun, 2007 from Netherlands
I like Thorn very much. 3 or 4 years ago it was my main synth. I never noticed any CPU hogging even though I used an older 2009 PC back then.
What I hated was the switch to Plugin Alliance but I bit that bullet anyway. By now I am ok with it, because I got some good deals on synths like Lion and Knifonium (speaking of a CPU hog). I don't have much use for other PA tools though.
What I hated was the switch to Plugin Alliance but I bit that bullet anyway. By now I am ok with it, because I got some good deals on synths like Lion and Knifonium (speaking of a CPU hog). I don't have much use for other PA tools though.
- KVRian
- 823 posts since 27 Aug, 2020
You have to create an account on PA to buy Thorn, right? Do they accept paypal? Do you require anything other than Thorn's serial number to register the plugin? I like the feature set and the sound of it, but the PA distribution always kind of scared me off. If they're just distributors, then I might pull the trigger at some point.
- KVRian
- 1384 posts since 12 Oct, 2012
PA is smooth, nothing to worry about, you pay with Paypal, you download the individual plugin and not some centralized bs, you install it on your computer then you activate it by logging in within the plugin interface once you load the plugin in your daw.crickey13 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:38 pm You have to create an account on PA to buy Thorn, right? Do they accept paypal? Do you require anything other than Thorn's serial number to register the plugin? I like the feature set and the sound of it, but the PA distribution always kind of scared me off. If they're just distributors, then I might pull the trigger at some point.
- KVRist
- 483 posts since 17 Sep, 2020
Thorn is great with CPU.mountainmaster wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:44 am I like Thorn very much. 3 or 4 years ago it was my main synth. I never noticed any CPU hogging even though I used an older 2009 PC back then.
- KVRian
- 1384 posts since 12 Oct, 2012
If you play a sine wave with 0 unison, yeah it is.Effectsworks wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:48 pmThorn is great with CPU.mountainmaster wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:44 am I like Thorn very much. 3 or 4 years ago it was my main synth. I never noticed any CPU hogging even though I used an older 2009 PC back then.
It is definitely not the worse CPU hog out there, but CPU quickly spikes once you start making more complicated patches.
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- Banned
- 465 posts since 15 Apr, 2020
I got the CM version with a few less features. Does anyone know whether patches made in the CM version will load fine in the full version?
What makes it "bass heavy"? I'm sure it can be used for other type of sounds as well?Effectsworks wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:41 amAgreed... Thorn is a very bass heavy synth. And Diversion has a vast array of sound design capabilities.nusound mind wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:38 am That said if I needed one for bass duty I'd probably reach for Thorn first over Diversion.
Of course, it's nice to have both.
- KVRian
- 823 posts since 27 Aug, 2020
Thanks. So it's basically a challenge/response CP? In the kvr database, it says serial number registration, but I guess that has changed since Dimitri switched to PA.