Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

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Russell Grand
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Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:15 am

Teksonik wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:04 am
Lempface wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:57 am
Teksonik wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:24 am
We'll have to agree to disagree then. Air's Wavetable synth Hybrid 3 just blows Union away in terms of sound quality in my opinion and of course feature set although Union's generate WT is nice. Hybrid is as far from bland as you can get in my opinion. Crisp and unapologetically digital sounding in a world that is pathologically obsessed with Analog. :tu:
I'm gonna have to go ahead and question you on this. Hybrid 3 is probably the worst sounding synth I've had the displeasure to use. Funnily enough, every preset has this "air" about it that just sounds like some really harsh white noise in the high range. Thought it was maybe just the preset designer but after spending a few hours with it ugh... What you call unapologetically digital I call terrible. I don't mind "digital" sound synths at all, but the thing is just putrid.

I'd honestly be interested to hear it in a context from someone who enjoys it though, so if you've used it in a production and wouldn't mind to share I'd love to hear it.
You can't question someone's opinion. I like the sound of Hybrid 3. I've used it in projects and have done a bunch of patches for it that I find quite pleasing.

Here's a few from a year ago....

Hybrid 3 Teksonik 01

We all have different tastes we all make different music and we all like different sounds.

I simply gave my opinion on this statement:
Sinisterbr wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:04 am
Sound wise it's light years ahead of Air synths, I can say that! :)
In my opinion Hybrid simply blows away the sound of Union.... :shrug:

(as do Xpand!2 and Loom since they are also Air Synths)

But I like Union and will probably pick it up at some point since there are hints by someone I'm not sure is even connected to the project of future updates. :wink:
Lempface, "Hybrid 3 is probably the worst sounding synth I've had the displeasure to use." is one of the silllest things I've read on this forum in a long time. I question your hearing (or lack thereof)... :o

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Tj Shredder
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3769 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:26 am

I just got it, and I am pleased. As I have Bitwig as my host, the lack of velocity or other modsources doesn‘t bother me at all, I tend to prefer the Bitwig mod sources assigned to whatever automatable parameter easier anyway.
So my biggest wish (as always) is support for MPE.
What I like with any synth is not the feature list, but how does it inspire me, how easy is it into actually creating sounds. The head start was simply smooth and nice. I needed some time to figure out how to zoom in the envelopes and such, but as soon you know how it works, I get into a flow of tweaking sounds. I do not mind some of the limitations. Of course I would not call the 3rd oscillator a wavetable, but who cares, I have other synths to cover that...
Congratulations, its a bit like a birthday present according to its price. Certainly worth more than I paid, but I might not have looked at it at all, if not for that price...
Conclusion: Thanks a lot...!

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Tj Shredder
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3769 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:15 am

Playing and having fun, but one thing is strange, it acts like a paraphonic synth! Choose one of the slow evolving pads which have a slowly opening filter in the beginning. Now hold some low notes, and play higher notes. The envelope is retriggered for the low notes as well... I am not sure if this is intended or a setting which can be changed...

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fmr
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9157 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:36 am

Tj Shredder wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:15 am
Playing and having fun, but one thing is strange, it acts like a paraphonic synth! Choose one of the slow evolving pads which have a slowly opening filter in the beginning. Now hold some low notes, and play higher notes. The envelope is retriggered for the low notes as well... I am not sure if this is intended or a setting which can be changed...
If I remember well (I'm not at home right now) they are not real envelopes, but LFOs. So, maybe the LFO is set to retrigger.
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plexuss
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Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:55 am

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Tj Shredder
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Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:00 am

Ok, reading the manual reveals how these sounds which act like a paraphonic synth work. For example the pad sound called "PFFT" is made like this: The main filter I hear is the FX Filter, and the envelope I hear is the fx LFO 1... The LFO seems to be retriggered with each key stroke.
Paraphonic is fun, and if you use instead the filters of each oscillator it works polyphonic as expected...
Would be cool to have a one shot option in those LFOs, then it would act like an envelope...

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Sinisterbr
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296 posts since 11 Mar, 2010

Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:25 am

Tj Shredder wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:00 am
Ok, reading the manual reveals how these sounds which act like a paraphonic synth work. For example the pad sound called "PFFT" is made like this: The main filter I hear is the FX Filter, and the envelope I hear is the fx LFO 1... The LFO seems to be retriggered with each key stroke.
Paraphonic is fun, and if you use instead the filters of each oscillator it works polyphonic as expected...
Would be cool to have a one shot option in those LFOs, then it would act like an envelope...
This synth has some clever (yet simple) and innovative ideas, it just have to keep being improved. Let's see if this really happens.

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Tj Shredder
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Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:08 am

The manual is talking about unlimited nodes for the fx LFOs. Does somebody know how? The manual does not explain it at all, just mentions "unlimited"...

I would like to see arrows on top of the oscillator page which would allow to jump directly to the other oscillator pages < Oscillator 1 >

Basspartout
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33 posts since 10 Dec, 2011 from Berlin

Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:22 am

Nice GUI and easy sounddesign, but the HUGE CPU load makes it impossible to use for me. :-(

husker37
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Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:58 pm

Teksonik wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:28 am
But it's hard to say anything bad about a $7.99 synth. I could see picking it up just to entertain yourself for an afternoon and may do so.
Exactly the way I look at it. I picked it up - I can amuse myself with it for several hours. Cheaper than many forms of entertainment out there.
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Post Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:12 pm

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Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:49 pm

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Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:33 pm

Hear2help wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:39 am
street spirit wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:32 pm
Pass even at the price. It has no legato playback just 1 voice or polyphony
Who designed this thing? Wouldnt waste 5$ on this
Top right of the interface is a voices option, and this goes up to 32. Voices = Polyphony. ;)

Also, you may like to take advantage of the low price before you have to pay the full price when updates begin to roll out?.
This will not be abandonware, there will be added controls and features over time. :tu:
Thanks a lot. You Just earned 8$
Maybe i didn't see it because of the dark gui Lol.
A buddy of mine wants to check it out to , so
two sales. Cheers
Also, i didn't see a pdf manual?
Thanks
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Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:26 pm

The PDF manual is a free download from the Soundspot website.
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Re: Soundspot Union Wavetable Synth out today

Post Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:35 pm

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