Genesis Pro

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izonin
KVRian
1250 posts since 27 Oct, 2009

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:20 am

chk071 wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:17 am
izonin wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:48 pm
Thank you! Indeed it's totally cool. Just as I'm cool with people releasing amazing synths for $3 ... for iOS, when I'm a Windows+Android only guy. :tu:
Of course. The thing here is that the plugin runs on the OS i use. Don't think I ever complained about a Mac OS only plugin not working on my Windows machine. In fact, I couldn't care less if a developer wants to limit his target audience that way. The thing here is that it's not only limited to a single OS, it's also limited to deprecated tech, which probably less than 10 % of the users (if even) still use.

Again, I'm sure Ummet is aware of all that. Just explaining the reasons why I and others state that it's just not contemporary anymore, and why it is that he's losing out on potential users. And, explaining for the explanation's sake, because some people obviously feel offended by it, think they can speak for the developer, and act as if there's some kind of gift horse here.
My point was about the numbers. More than 20% of Windows users have 32-bit capable DAW's and can use the plugin. And then 90% of all users are on Windows vs. 10% Mac. So, purely by number, there are more people that can use Genesis Pro vs. any MacOS only synth. This is why the plugin is so popular with a huge number of people.

And there's a also a technical reason why I'm actually glad that Genesis Pro is 32-bit. It let Ummet incorporate high quality SEM modules, which would otherwise be unavailable.

Finally, Genesis Pro is a great sounding synth that 15%+ of all desktop and laptop users on the planet can enjoy, and is at a permanent 99% off sale. :phones: :party:

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Distorted Horizon
KVRAF
3251 posts since 17 Jan, 2017 from Planet of cats

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:28 am

chk071 wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:07 am
Yes. 1 € per month. One month, and it's your own. :P
I was thinking about 10 months plan :lol:

chk071
KVRAF
22792 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:37 am

:lol:

If it's the same for you than it is for me, you have to pay 0,50 € for every Paypal transfer from your bank account. :P

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teilo
KVRist
430 posts since 30 Mar, 2008

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:45 am

izonin wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:20 am
And then 90% of all users are on Windows vs. 10% Mac. So, purely by number, there are more people that can use Genesis Pro vs. any MacOS only synth.
That's a red herring. The total Mac vs. Windows users are irrelevant. The only ones that matter are those who do music production, and there the numbers are completely different. I don't know if Mac still predominates, but it must be close.
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Tj Shredder
KVRAF
3830 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:56 am

I am happy if a tool does not support my OS/DAW. There is enough around to keep me busy anyway. I vote for more Linux only synths, less to try out and waste time...
We have now 34 pages of pure speculation about what where and why this one will run or not run on your personally preferred platform...
There seems to be a high demand on wasting time...

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chaosWyrM
KVRAF
1887 posts since 29 Apr, 2010 from NYC

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:07 am

i find it a bit silly people are still complaining about 32bit plug ins. if your system cant run it...its because of you. you chose to have a system that cant run those plugins. how is it the devs fault?

im on 64 bit win 10....i have tons of old synths that are 32 bit only....some of them are rare secret weapons that wont ever get updated and that youll have to pry out of my cold dead hands before i stop using them.

watch this:

i have all m-rgt synths.

those are all 32bit synth edit plugs that wont ever get updated...and now that i just said i have them...ill get about 25-30 private msgs over the next week from people asking me if ill send them copies....i wont send them...but ill get the requests anyway...i always do.

the point is...32bit plugs work perfectly fine on 64bit systems, seamlessly without ever even having to think about which ones are which or do anything different for them...and if they dont work on YOUR system...its because you made them not work.

dont blame the devs for your decisions.
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Kongru
KVRian
950 posts since 23 Feb, 2017

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:20 am

I just don't use outdated plugins (even if they're released in 2020) :shrug:
Signatures are so early 2000s.

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Lind0n
KVRist
109 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from UK

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:07 am

teilo wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:45 am
izonin wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:20 am
And then 90% of all users are on Windows vs. 10% Mac. So, purely by number, there are more people that can use Genesis Pro vs. any MacOS only synth.
That's a red herring. The total Mac vs. Windows users are irrelevant. The only ones that matter are those who do music production, and there the numbers are completely different. I don't know if Mac still predominates, but it must be close.
Nope - that'd be wrong. (Well in my experience anyway) We sell VST/AU products - the Windows versions outsell the Mac versions by a fair margin.
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SampleScience
KVRAF
3991 posts since 31 Oct, 2004 from Mtl, Canada

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:18 am

teilo wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:45 am
izonin wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:20 am
And then 90% of all users are on Windows vs. 10% Mac. So, purely by number, there are more people that can use Genesis Pro vs. any MacOS only synth.
That's a red herring. The total Mac vs. Windows users are irrelevant. The only ones that matter are those who do music production, and there the numbers are completely different. I don't know if Mac still predominates, but it must be close.
I've gathered statistics from different sources about what OS musicians use the most and the combined numbers are around 25% macOS and the rest is Windows*. A very small % are using Linux (usually less than 1%).

As a business, macOS users buy more, so for sold plugins, it's more around 50/50 macOS/Windows user base. That's why most commercial plugins are available for macOS, it's a better business decision.

* The data comes from 100 of thousands of users, not just a few 100.

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teilo
KVRist
430 posts since 30 Mar, 2008

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:38 am

SampleScience wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:18 am
teilo wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:45 am
izonin wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:20 am
And then 90% of all users are on Windows vs. 10% Mac. So, purely by number, there are more people that can use Genesis Pro vs. any MacOS only synth.
That's a red herring. The total Mac vs. Windows users are irrelevant. The only ones that matter are those who do music production, and there the numbers are completely different. I don't know if Mac still predominates, but it must be close.
I've gathered statistics from different sources about what OS musicians use the most and the combined numbers are around 25% macOS and the rest is Windows*. A very small % are using Linux (usually less than 1%).

As a business, macOS users buy more, so for sold plugins, it's more around 50/50 macOS/Windows user base. That's why most commercial plugins are available for macOS, it's a better business decision.

* The data comes from 100 of thousands of users, not just a few 100.
So in other words, among those who are ACTUALLY doing music production, it's closer to 50/50. Glad we agree.
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Teksonik
KVRAF
13050 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:50 am

So you're saying 50% of Windows users are Pirates and all Mac users are Saints ? Good to know. :tu:
SampleScience wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:18 am
* The data comes from 100 of thousands of users, not just a few 100.
Citation ?
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e-crooner
KVRian
1125 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:08 am

A friend of mine will do one of those production courses at an SAE institute, and he told me that that alone will get him a discount if he buys an Apple computer. The SAE seems to sponsor Apple or the other way round. Seems a bit unfair to me...

But I think the times are long gone when Apple was more reliable than Windows-based computers. Actually, I have read of various problems with the latest OS update and certain software.

Stryves
KVRer
22 posts since 22 Jun, 2018 from Hamilton, ON Canada

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:27 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:07 am
....
im on 64 bit win 10....i have tons of old synths that are 32 bit only....some of them are rare secret weapons that wont ever get updated and that youll have to pry out of my cold dead hands before i stop using them.
....
You make it sound like the tools are more valuable than the creator. You could swap out any of my DAW, instruments or effects, and I'll just move onto another without losing a beat.

chk071
KVRAF
22792 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:37 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:07 am
i find it a bit silly people are still complaining about 32bit plug ins. if your system cant run it...its because of you. you chose to have a system that cant run those plugins. how is it the devs fault?
Well well. Let's not turn this thing around. It's rather the devs choice whether or not he will rely on obsolete tech.

Anyway, too much discussion about this. It is what it is, and it's fine (and everyone is free to buy, or pass on it).
Last edited by chk071 on Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:43 pm, edited 2 times in total.

chk071
KVRAF
22792 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Genesis Pro

Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:38 pm

teilo wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:38 am
So in other words, among those who are ACTUALLY doing music production, it's closer to 50/50.
It definitely is. You can't compare the number of home PC users, when we're talking about music production. Many Macs around there.

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