Most essential VST plugins

VST, AU, AAX, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion
enCiphered
KVRian
688 posts since 13 Dec, 2016

Post Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:57 pm

e@rs wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:01 pm
e-crooner wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:59 am
...I am still looking for a single synth that does everything I need it to do, which is not that much, anyway. I hate the idea of having a folder full of plugins because each of them sucks at something.
I suggest Avenger. Does ~everything and has a feature no other synth has: it resets its activation every 3 months.
:hihi:

enCiphered
KVRian
688 posts since 13 Dec, 2016

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:58 pm

V0RT3X wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:31 pm
My most essential so far?

Geist 2 - Its just so enjoyable to use and barely takes much CPU. I also really like the drag’n’drop slicer and built in mixing engine. The real fun stuff is when you start using it for polyrhythmic beats.

Cypher 2 - I’ve always had a soft spot for this synthesizer. It might not be the best for fm style stuff but it allows for quick results and the MPE stuff is fun when I use my rise49.

Reaktor 6 - Its vast and i love the blocks modular stuff for making my own custom FSU ensembles. There is so much here! it’s really an essential tool that every composer/sound designer should take advantage of. I often like sampling the weird stuff from this to make sliced up kits in Geist.

Massive-X - If i had to choose between this or Massive, i would go for this because of the quality of sound and the deep modulation system. Also I’m looking forward to MPE in this one day.

The Drop - It is great for adding Mojo to sterile sounds and rhythm to lifeless sounds. I always find a place for this ob my stuff.

The Glue - i am a huge fan of The Glue in Ableton, but when i moved to Bitwig i didnt have it built in so it was only natural to buy this . Great bus compressor that adds a bit of pleasing colour when you drive it hard. Its the simplest of my plugins as far as controls go but I really like the sound..

Zebra + TDZ - if I had to choose between the modular awesomeness of Zebra or the thick warm sound of Diva then id go with Zebra+ The Dark Zebra because of the Diva filters built in. This way I get the best of both worlds.

Zebra just has so much going on and the CPU to sound quality ratio is perfect for when I need vast amount of Zebras. Overall you get a lot of bang for your buck.

Hive2 - Easy to use and sounds great when I want a quick great sounding modern workflow. I like how it makes you want to focus on working fast rather than spend time endlessly tweaking.

Byome - I like the algorithms in Byome and the modulation system just “works” for creating fast wacky effects. It also works great as a swiss army knife FX plugin for subtle saturation, simple EQ tweaks, reverb etc.

Triad - same as above but for Multiband use.

Acon Digital Equalize 2 - great quick EQ that sounds great and does what it says it will do. I also appreciate The super steep filter slopes for experimental sound duties.

Acon Verberate 2 - i need this for more natural Sounding algorithmic verbs. I can do weird and spacey reverbs in abundance with all the character verbs i have in the aformentioned plugins, but when i want something to sound like its in a real room this is my goto.

Thats pretty much all i would really want along with Bitwig. I know those plugins fairly well and enjoy using them and learning new things about them on a daily basis.

Also My OCD seems to have accepted this bunch as my desert island pack.
Very interesting and detailed listing, thanks for sharing with us :tu:

sidesword
KVRer
11 posts since 2 Dec, 2019

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:14 am

air Xpand!2
ImpOSCar2
Oddity2
Minimonsta
Zebra2

a lot of 2's...

XxEDxX
KVRist
49 posts since 31 Mar, 2019

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:23 am

Fabfilter and Toneboosters are the most essential plugins I ever use. In particular EQ & Compression. On the synth side I'm still sticking to Synthmaster. Just can make everything with it, from bread & butter sounds to more crazy stuff.

User avatar
BONES
GRRRRRRR!
9335 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:30 pm

I bought SM One when it was $29 last year and I have tried to find some use for it but, so far, it's not turned out to have much to offer us. I' not sure what it is, I just struggle to fit it into anything I'm working on and I can always find something that works much better.
NOVAkILL 4.0 : Dell G7 17 (Core i7, 8GB RAM, Win10), UR44C, Cubase, DUNE, Thorn, TRK-01, Equator, Hive, Substance, Arcsyn, Aparillo, Phase Plant, Pigments, Trueno, Analog Keys, MicroMonsta, Uno, Skulpt, Craft 2.

enCiphered
KVRian
688 posts since 13 Dec, 2016

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:36 pm

BONES wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:30 pm
I bought SM One when it was $29 last year and I have tried to find some use for it but, so far, it's not turned out to have much to offer us. I' not sure what it is, I just struggle to fit it into anything I'm working on and I can always find something that works much better.
It is on sale now for $39 but $29 can´t be beaten.
I don´t know, after working with Halion 6, Hive, Icarus and Dune I cannot imagine I will ever need more WT synths, no matter how much they cost.

User avatar
Scrubbing Monkeys
KVRian
789 posts since 21 Apr, 2017 from Bahia, Brazil

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:43 pm

For instruments

Tal U no lx
Synthmaster
Waldorf ppg
Fathom
Synth1
xpand
AD2

For mixing

Toneboosters
Morphit and isone

Klanghelm
Dcac3

TDR
everything

But lately I could get by with Waves Omni Channel. I really wish I could have that one without Waves.

Valhalla Room
Tal dub x delay
Kazrog guitar amps
Sknote Deluxe 1 is also very cool.

The rest is just different flavors after this.

codec_spurt
KVRAF
4010 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:12 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:31 pm
codec_spurt wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:29 pm
Gotta love these bad boys:

https://www.magix.com/gb/music/essentialfx/


The fact you pay 50 bucks less for them if you are in the UK is a nice touch. Seeing as we usually pay 50 bucks more.

No English Manual. Sprechen sie Deutsch or nicht!

Coded by a God on the scene.

You mean Sascha (now U-he ) Eversmeier ?
I thought he did the analogue modelling , vintage suit and guitar amp for magix
https://www.magix.com/us/music/analogue ... ing-suite/
https://www.magix.com/us/music/vintage-effects-suite/

Any reason why these (essential fx ) are better then the toneboosters track essentials (which I love ) ?

I thought he did the analogue modelling , vintage suit and guitar amp for magix


So did I.

I also thought he did the essential FX as well, but that was going off 3rd party information. Maybe I got that wrong. Sorry, if so.


Any reason why these (essential fx ) are better then the toneboosters track essentials (which I love ) ?

Well, let me just say that I rank the Toneboosters essentials as probably my no.1 go to desert island FX. The compressor is the greatest Compressor ever invented, and the EQ does everything you want 90 percent of the time. Everything else is cream. But what cream...

I wouldn't say the Magix FX are better than the Toneboosters offerings. I would say they are just about on a par though. So easy to dial in. Very very fast. No fuss. And there are 11 plugins that cover for just about every mixing eventuality you will come across. Of note though is the fact that THERE IS NO EQ IN THE MAGIX SUITE OF PLUGINS.


I think the reason for this is the fact it did not suit the GUI format that they adopted that worked so well for all the other plugins. No idea. It's a big omission though.

Also, the Magix plugins cost £100 more than the Toneboosters ones. So no competition there. They are just nice to have. I have them in Samplitude. If you can pick them up in the market place for a good price - go for it. For me, the star of the show is the Compressor. In fact, it works every single time! The only Compressor that can rival it is the Toneboosters one. Sometimes, you just want to shave off an errant peak, or bring up a shy hi-hat. Both these boys got your back.

I'm experimenting and getting deep in to gates and sidechains as well at the moment. So the fact that Magix provide 32 bit installers and true sidechain on both the Comp and Gate, well, what can I say?

I probably wouldn't want to pay so much for them new seeing as I already have them in Samplitude Pro X. But they are very nice to have in 3rd party DAWs. Just like my FLStudio FX plugin pack. Could live without them, but nice to have.

For anyone wanting to pick these up though, don't go paying full price. Buy Samplitude for the same price when it goes on sale or in the market place. Of course you still won't be able to use them in 3rd party DAWs, but you can really test them to see if you like 'em. Then either pick them up in the market place or on sale, or just bite the bullet and pay that price. They are worth it. I paid the equivalent of about 3 quid each for mine, but if you buy new you would be paying about 10 quid each. Not a biggie.

If you can get over the fact you are not getting an EQ in this pack, then they are a very powerful, easy to use, and most of all, fun, pack of FX plugins.

Whoever coded them, did an exemplary job. Hats off!

codec_spurt
KVRAF
4010 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:34 pm

Was kinda curious if Sascha did in fact code the eFX plugs.

Found this:

While you're at it, you may want to test drive it against the eFX limiter, which follows a similar concept. It's limiting and saturation in conjuntion. And it's got the same hard-vs-soft clip thing. Might be that the eFX limiter gives better results on difficult material, don't know. It's a newer design, at least I think I had some parts of its algorithm layed out very differently, like the adaptive release for instance. I do mostly indie rock, and it's still my go-to limiter, and - since I do listen to a lot of metal - I'm pretty sure it'll work great for harder stuff, too.


https://support2.magix.com/boards/sampl ... ent-294640


Scroll down for the last comment by Sascha that I quoted above.

Looks like he might have had a major hand in them after all.


Might be that the eFX limiter gives better results on difficult material, don't know. It's a newer design, at least I think I had some parts of its algorithm layed out very differently, like the adaptive release for instance.

User avatar
BONES
GRRRRRRR!
9335 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:26 pm

e-crooner wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:59 am
No idea, I am still looking for a single synth that does everything I need it to do, which is not that much, anyway. I hate the idea of having a folder full of plugins because each of them sucks at something.
Why? What do you see as the advantage of one multi-purpose synth over a number of specialist instruments? To me it's the equivalent of preferring an adjustable wrench over a set of open-enders - the right tool for the job will always do it better. If you just have one synth for everything, it will invariably be a very complex synth that requires a lot of effort, even for simple tasks.
NOVAkILL 4.0 : Dell G7 17 (Core i7, 8GB RAM, Win10), UR44C, Cubase, DUNE, Thorn, TRK-01, Equator, Hive, Substance, Arcsyn, Aparillo, Phase Plant, Pigments, Trueno, Analog Keys, MicroMonsta, Uno, Skulpt, Craft 2.

Elektronisch
KVRAF
3792 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:32 pm

Dune 3
Hive 2
Repro 5
Nimble Kick
Kontakt (plus 3rd party & Komplete CE libraries)

Faturator
FabFilter Pro Q3
Boz Little Clipper
IK Stealth Limiter
IK White 2A
IK Classic Clipper
U-He Presswerk
Waves C4
Waves L2
Izotope Nectar 2/3
Vallhalla Delay & Room
OSL Chorus
VolumeShaper 6
Melodyne 4

danbroad
KVRian
1127 posts since 2 Jan, 2004 from England

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:49 am

For me, I've tried most of them and the dust has settled to be just Omnisphere. If I needed a specific ROM based sample set it'd be Kontakt. Reaktor FX handles most of my weird stuff, Valhalla does the rest. Though I will say Replika and the new Raum are very useful.

The more I use plugs myself, the less I am into VSTi synthesis proper. For that, I personally like the interaction of hardware controls - Nord Lead A1, Minilogue Xd, Behringer cheapies etc would be my choices.
11, 418th in line to the KVR throne

e-crooner
KVRian
873 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:28 am

BONES wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:26 pm
e-crooner wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:59 am
No idea, I am still looking for a single synth that does everything I need it to do, which is not that much, anyway. I hate the idea of having a folder full of plugins because each of them sucks at something.
Why? What do you see as the advantage of one multi-purpose synth over a number of specialist instruments? To me it's the equivalent of preferring an adjustable wrench over a set of open-enders - the right tool for the job will always do it better. If you just have one synth for everything, it will invariably be a very complex synth that requires a lot of effort, even for simple tasks.
I just want to keep it simple and limit synths to the merely supporting role they should play in my view.

User avatar
BONES
GRRRRRRR!
9335 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:07 pm

I also like to keep it simple but not in that way. One big synth with a million controls hidden behind tabs and things like that is more complication than I like. I'd rather have 20 simpler synths with all the controls on a single screen so I can work quickly. e.g. Why does DUNE need three different forms of synthesis, why not have a DUNE V/A, DUNE FM and DUNE WT? Why does everything have to be stuffed into one synth? Unfortunately, that's not a good way to sell a product so we get stuck with these mega-synths, endlessly chasing each other to match and exceed the features of the competition, until they become unusable.

That's why I rate things like TRK-01 so highly - it is so easy to use, yet incredibly powerful. Same with Thorn, the only thing I might have to go looking for are effects, everything else is right where I can see it. I'd love it if someone packaged up a bunch of synths in the way they do with effects, to cover a range of needs. Simple tools that excel in one area or do something unique. That's what I tried to do with my Nitrous synths - make several synths with similar architecture that use a different form of synthesis, so you could learn one and be comfortable with the others straight away.

The whole idea of these mega-synths seems to be rooted in hardware thinking, where there was a physical cost to making a synth, and owning 20 hardware synths isn't exactly practical, so it makes sense to stuff as much into one as you can. But with software it makes no difference.
NOVAkILL 4.0 : Dell G7 17 (Core i7, 8GB RAM, Win10), UR44C, Cubase, DUNE, Thorn, TRK-01, Equator, Hive, Substance, Arcsyn, Aparillo, Phase Plant, Pigments, Trueno, Analog Keys, MicroMonsta, Uno, Skulpt, Craft 2.

e-crooner
KVRian
873 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Most essential VST plugins

Post Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:19 pm

Oh, I am not even talking about those "mega-synths" as you call them, not at all, I can't stand them. I am only interested in subtractive, yet I haven't found any subtractive synth I am really happy with.
I hope this will finally change with Synapse Audio's Oberheim emulation next year :)

Return to “Instruments”